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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2018 2:45:06 GMT -5
I just heard the next on Word Balloon blurb at the end of the current episode of the podcast that Dana Gould (yes that Dana Gould, the comedian and ex-Simpsons writer) will be the guest and discussing his adaptation of the Serling script for the BOOM! comic, and POTA in general for those who might be interested. The episode should drop sometime next week at the Word Balloon page. shaxper you might also be interested in the episode form 2 weeks ago with Denny O'Neil about coming out of Batman's shadow and his autobiography). -M
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Post by tarkintino on Feb 10, 2018 7:51:04 GMT -5
It appears that the original Planet of the Apes movie premiered 50 years ago yesterday. A true cinema milestone, whether one looks at that one film, or the original series franchise.
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Post by shaxper on Mar 7, 2018 13:09:27 GMT -5
Planet of the Apes / Green Lantern #1 (Boom! and DC, 2017) story: Robbie Thompson writer: Justin Jordan artist: Barnaby Bagenda colors: Alex Guimaraes letters: Ed Dukeshire editor: Dafna Pleban assoc. editor: Alex Galer grade: B- Its...not terrible. The crossover premise seems a bit ridiculous, and yet it's not as shameless and shallow as Star Trek / Planet of the Apes: The Prime Directive. Bagenda's art is hard to look at, and I have no doubt this crossover will ultimately prove entirely forgettable, but the writing and layouts are decent, and the nods to each property are far more restrained, the only obvious one thus far being when Hal first washes up on the planet after an encounter with Sinestro: We don't have much in terms of a concept yet. There's some sort of special Oan ring that appears to change its color from time to time, and Cornelius has uncovered it. Meanwhile, Hal Jordan is doing what he does in pretty much every Green Lantern comic: namely uncovering some past mistake the Oans don't want to acknowledge that somehow threatens the well-being of the universe while fighting other colored Lanterns. At one point he says: "Don't you ever get nostalgic for when it was just the Green Lanterns? I get tired of it, Guy. Fighting the spectrums." So do I, and that's why I stopped reading Green Lantern comics a decade ago. Would have been nice to get a more classic depiction of Green Lantern to match this classic depiction of the POTA franchise, but I guess DC wanted this to match what's currently happening in the books (and there is no current POTA book). Anyway, so much of the success or failure of this story line will hinge on the explanations we are offered next issue. Plot synopsis: In flashback, someone is defeating the Yellow Lanterns until they strike back and send the mysterious figure careening into the surface of the Planet of the Apes. Of course, this happens exactly where Cornelius is excavating for his archaological research. Meanwhile, the Green Lanterns get an automated message through their rings, informing them of a "crosschronal distruption," followed by the Oans immediately informing them to disregard it. Of course, that makes Hal seek it out on the Planet of the Apes. Arriving there, he is ambushed by Sinestro, while Cornelius finds a ring at the site of the earlier crash and takes it back for research. After studying it (and we definitely see it switch colors several times), Cornelius becomes tempted to put it on and, upon doing so, is confronted by the mutants from the second film. He blasts one in a Red Lantern fit of rage and then immediately wonders what he has done.
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Post by tarkintino on Mar 7, 2018 14:39:05 GMT -5
Planet of the Apes / Green Lantern #1 (Boom! and DC, 2017) Its...not terrible. ...but... Well, that's pretty much biggest takeaway from the review. Why certain people in comics continue to use POTA as some sci-fi crossover catch-all for other franchises is a mystery. POTA is one of the few sci-fi properties that is its own animal (pun not intended), or far removed from the concepts and sensibilities of anything else, which makes it special. Its not open for easy comparisons / fan "beter than" debates like the eternal Star Trek vs. Star Wars, or Star Wars vs. Battlestar Galactica. The Green Lantern concept makes no sense in a far future where apes have evolved to man-sized intellectuals, et al. I'd rather see Ka-Zar vs. Tarzan or Silver Age Doom Patrol vs. Silver Age X-Men than the forced mash-up of oil-and-water concepts like Green Lantern & POTA.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 15:08:05 GMT -5
Planet of the Apes / Green Lantern #1 (Boom! and DC, 2017) Its...not terrible. ...but... Well, that's pretty much biggest takeaway from the review. Why certain people in comics continue to use POTA as some sci-fi crossover catch-all for other franchises is a mystery. POTA is one of the few sci-fi properties that is its own animal (pun not intended), or far removed from the concepts and sensibilities of anything else, which makes it special. Its not open for easy comparisons / fan "beter than" debates like the eternal Star Trek vs. Star Wars, or Star Wars vs. Battlestar Galactica. The Green Lantern concept makes no sense in a far future where apes have evolved to man-sized intellectuals, et al. I'd rather see Ka-Zar vs. Tarzan or Silver Age Doom Patrol vs. Silver Age X-Men than the forced mash-up of oil-and-water concepts like Green Lantern & POTA. because there is a segment in fandom that wants it (and comics is a business that caters to niches in fandom these days). Otherwise you wouldn't see things like this all over the place... much of which predates the announcement of this cross-over series and may have been a factor in inspiring BOOM! to see out the cross-over with DC. The Apes cross-over series sell better for BOOM! than the straight Apes series did, so why wouldn't they put out more of them? -M
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Post by shaxper on Mar 7, 2018 16:12:25 GMT -5
Why certain people in comics continue to use POTA as some sci-fi crossover catch-all for other franchises is a mystery. POTA is one of the few sci-fi properties that is its own animal (pun not intended), or far removed from the concepts and sensibilities of anything else, which makes it special. Its not open for easy comparisons / fan "beter than" debates like the eternal Star Trek vs. Star Wars, or Star Wars vs. Battlestar Galactica. The Green Lantern concept makes no sense in a far future where apes have evolved to man-sized intellectuals, et al. I'd rather see Ka-Zar vs. Tarzan or Silver Age Doom Patrol vs. Silver Age X-Men than the forced mash-up of oil-and-water concepts like Green Lantern & POTA. It is (sadly) just a business. The people at Boom! who cared about POTA and were passionate about doing something meaningful with the license have moved on. Now Boom! is just trying to pump what cash they can out of the license they paid for. The worst part is, even if you get a writer who truly understands and cares about the franchise, he or she still needs to write the crossover in such a way that the layreader can find it accessible. I keep hoping for a storyline that appeals to both levels -- accessible to the common reader, but offering depth for devoted fans who will understand and appreciate it -- but I just don't think it's in the cards. The crossovers are selling for now. That won't last. And soon the POTA license will move on to yet another company. There was a time when POTA was the most beloved popular culture franchise on the planet, but then this little thing called Star Wars came along and, even with the new films, people just aren't interested in the depth and history. You show the Statue of Liberty, throw in Zira and Cornelius, have someone say "Get your stinking paws off of me, you damn dirty apes" and you're golden. If you want to be really sophisticated, show the mutants in order to indicate that you are aware there was a second movie.
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Post by shaxper on Mar 7, 2018 16:28:24 GMT -5
Planet of the Apes / Green Lantern #2 (Boom! and DC, 2017) story: Robbie Thompson writer: Justin Jordan artist: Barnaby Bagenda colors: Alex Guimaraes letters: Ed Dukeshire editor: Dafna Pleban assoc. editor: Alex Galer grade: B- We get the backstory in this issue, and it's almost impressive. The Oans needed to hide a weapon of great destruction, so they decided the ideal place was an alternate reality caught in a time-loop (a widely held fan theory about POTA that gets best explained in Revolution on the Planet of the Apes). Cool concept, except that Sinestro seems to find that reality pretty easily, and the Green Lanterns are given convenient equipment that never gets explained, allowing them to enter the POTA reality with ease as well. Also, what were the chances that, of all the places within that reality where you could hide a single ring, they would choose Cornelius' excavation site? I mean, this is a version of Earth, within a version of our solar system and galaxy, right? So why not hide it on Venus? The larger problem with how the story is progressing is its means of making these two disparate franchises work together. Instead of having the characters and premises intersect, Thompson and Jordan essentially just swap them out. Cornelius is depicted as a corrupted Lantern who seamlessly fits within the world of the Green Lantern Corps but in no particular way resembles Cornelius: And Hal Jordan becomes Taylor (more or less) and in no particular way resembles himself: So we're stuck watching a retread of the first POTA film and pretty much every major GL event, but the two are told in parallel and aren't actually overlapping. And the big clever reveal at the end of the issue is that they are bringing in Gorilla Grodd to deal with the apes. It's cheap fan service, but it doesn't make much sense. So I respect the basic premise of this story, but the execution hasn't earned any accolades as of yet. It still hasn't done anything particularly wrong, and it's still light years better than Star Trek / Planet of the Apes: The Prime Directive, but (like all of these crossovers) it's a wasted opportunity for more time in an incredibly special and woefully under-utilized sci-fi universe. Important Details:Welp, Taylor's dead. Cornelius' mere presence with the ring caused the mutants to interrogate and kill Taylor, and Cornelius then proceeds to destroy the Omega bomb, so the time loop is now seemingly broken. Plot synopsis: Hal gets captured by the apes and resists them, Cornelius gets worshiped by the mutants and decides to make them all power rings, we get the backstory on how this super powerful ring ended up on the Planet of the Apes, and the GL Corps is going to bring in Gorilla Grodd to help them.
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Post by brutalis on Mar 7, 2018 16:35:18 GMT -5
Kong on Planet of the Apes has so far been a superior effort. Stunning artwork and creative writing which is dealing with the whole Ape/Human society dynamics including politics (Gorilla versus Orangutan/Chimps) as well reaching into theology/ideology concepts and ideas with Cornelius doubting his personal values and his scientific concepts with the appearance of Kong. The POA concepts are strong enough to include both serious and lighter series and if the occasional sillier series sells enough to make the continued licensing profitable enough for more Apes comics then that is all that matters. I grew up in a time just as the POA movies were winding down and anything POA was few and far between and all there was for me was the long wait for the movies repeating on television. At least I was able to see the final 2 movies: Conquest and Battle for in theaters before the series was dead and gone. I am glad to have something new now!
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Post by Icctrombone on May 30, 2018 18:41:02 GMT -5
Get your stinking paws off me you damn dirty Vape! shaxper
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Post by shaxper on May 31, 2018 7:46:04 GMT -5
Get your stinking paws off me you damn dirty Vape! shaxper
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Post by brutalis on May 31, 2018 8:20:38 GMT -5
Lawsuit anyone?!?
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 3, 2018 8:34:06 GMT -5
Planet of the Apes / Green Lantern #1 (Boom! and DC, 2017) story: Robbie Thompson writer: Justin Jordan artist: Barnaby Bagenda colors: Alex Guimaraes letters: Ed Dukeshire editor: Dafna Pleban assoc. editor: Alex Galer grade: B- Its...not terrible. The crossover premise seems a bit ridiculous, and yet it's not as shameless and shallow as Star Trek / Planet of the Apes: The Prime Directive. Bagenda's art is hard to look at, and I have no doubt this crossover will ultimately prove entirely forgettable, but the writing and layouts are decent, and the nods to each property are far more restrained, the only obvious one thus far being when Hal first washes up on the planet after an encounter with Sinestro: We don't have much in terms of a concept yet. There's some sort of special Oan ring that appears to change its color from time to time, and Cornelius has uncovered it. Meanwhile, Hal Jordan is doing what he does in pretty much every Green Lantern comic: namely uncovering some past mistake the Oans don't want to acknowledge that somehow threatens the well-being of the universe while fighting other colored Lanterns. At one point he says: "Don't you ever get nostalgic for when it was just the Green Lanterns? I get tired of it, Guy. Fighting the spectrums." So do I, and that's why I stopped reading Green Lantern comics a decade ago. Would have been nice to get a more classic depiction of Green Lantern to match this classic depiction of the POTA franchise, but I guess DC wanted this to match what's currently happening in the books (and there is no current POTA book). Anyway, so much of the success or failure of this story line will hinge on the explanations we are offered next issue. Plot synopsis: In flashback, someone is defeating the Yellow Lanterns until they strike back and send the mysterious figure careening into the surface of the Planet of the Apes. Of course, this happens exactly where Cornelius is excavating for his archaological research. Meanwhile, the Green Lanterns get an automated message through their rings, informing them of a "crosschronal distruption," followed by the Oans immediately informing them to disregard it. Of course, that makes Hal seek it out on the Planet of the Apes. Arriving there, he is ambushed by Sinestro, while Cornelius finds a ring at the site of the earlier crash and takes it back for research. After studying it (and we definitely see it switch colors several times), Cornelius becomes tempted to put it on and, upon doing so, is confronted by the mutants from the second film. He blasts one in a Red Lantern fit of rage and then immediately wonders what he has done. Sorry shaxper, With this issue, comics have officially jumped the shark.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 19:06:03 GMT -5
A couple of new Apes anthologies coming this fall from BOOM! for you shaxperThere's more int he article including an interview with the editor of these two projects. -M
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Post by shaxper on Jul 13, 2018 15:49:57 GMT -5
Thanks for the head's up, @mrp!
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Post by shaxper on Aug 25, 2018 12:53:28 GMT -5
Planet of the Apes / Green Lantern #3 (Boom and DC, 2017) story: Robbie Thompson writer: Justin Jordan artist: Barnaby Bagenda colors: Alex Guimaraes letters: Ed Dukeshire editor: Dafna Pleban assoc. editor: Alex Galer grade: C- It's becoming increasingly likely that this story isn't headed anywhere interesting. We continue to retread tired old plot lines with a somewhat out-of-character Hal behaving EXACTLY like Taylor (Zira and Milo noting that he behaves exactly like Taylor), and a completely out-of-character Cornelius behaving as the latest hero gone mad with power that is so often repeated in the pages of Green Lantern. None of the dialogue is written well, none of the numerous classic characters from either franchise is used particularly well (Thompson can't even make Guy Gardner funny), the art is cartoony and lackluster, and the final panel plot twists are getting far too obligatory and forced. Really, all this story has going for it is a free-for-all slugfest between ring-wielding Forbidden Zone mutants, Gorilla soldiers, and Green and Red Lanterns. It's not a well done slugfest, but it's a slugfest: Minor Details: Once again, the entire point of the Guardians leaving the ring on the Planet of the Apes was that no one would ever find it in an alternate dimension, but (once again) pretty much everyone is suddenly able to sense it and travel to that dimension without breaking a sweat. Plot synopsis: Sinestro has captured Dr. Zaius in search of the ring, Guy, Killowag, and Arisia take Grod to the Planet of the Apes, Cornelius has used the one ring to make more rings for the mutants, and they battle the Gorilla army while Atrocitus and his Red Lanterns show up in search of the ring as well. While they all fight, Dr. Zaius shows Sinestro the ancient burial site of what was apparently a Green Lantern on the Planet of the Apes.
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