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Post by DubipR on Mar 2, 2021 8:36:17 GMT -5
I binged Jeff Lemire Black Hammer universe comics. Oh wow are they just killer stuff.
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Post by Duragizer on Mar 4, 2021 16:49:36 GMT -5
Good stuff. I started reading the titles last year, but dropped off after Sherlock Frankenstein & the Legion of Evil. Should get back into them.
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Post by DubipR on Mar 4, 2021 22:06:18 GMT -5
Good stuff. I started reading the titles last year, but dropped off after Sherlock Frankenstein & the Legion of Evil. Should get back into them. The Skulldigger and Skeleton Boy mini that came out in late 20/early 21 is insanely good.
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Post by Dizzy D on Mar 6, 2021 18:21:52 GMT -5
I did a reread of The Wicked + The Divine, the Image series by Kieron Gillen and Jamie McKelvie running from 2014-2019. I had not reread the whole series after it finished, but it's been a while and with everything still in lockdown here, I've been rereading a lot of things lately. It is a series that benefits from rereading everything some time after your first read.
As it's a reread expect some big time SPOILERS here:
Knowing which direction the series is going take at the end, definitely made me look differently at the first issues. What felt like inconsistencies at the time, all make sense towards the ending and it's interesting to see that Cassandra points out all these inconsistencies (but none of the other characters or readers believe her. No doubt that Gillen chose the name Cassandra very deliberately for this character).
The premise is that every 90 years 12 young people awaken as gods, blessed with the power to inspire/excite humanity, but cursed to die within 2 years. And pretty soon you start to see the cracks within that premise: there should be 12 gods; why is the Morrigan 3 goddesses in one body? while the three Norns in three different bodies count as 1 god? Why does Woden not have any powers to inspire like the others? Why is Baphomet one of the twelve when there never was worship of a god named Baphomet ? Why does Tara not know which goddess Tara she actually is, cause Baal does know which of the many Baals he is?
It's also interesting to see the relationship between Ananke and technology during this whole cycle. The 6000+ year old non-goddess praises technology at various points during the early series, but you see her cursing the same technology near the end, because the instant communication between the various characters makes it far more difficult for her to keep control over the various characters.
Overall I like the series now more, then I liked it on first reading (issue #1 did not immediately draw me in, while I loved Phonogram by the same creative team (though I started with volume 2 there and when I later read volume 1, I also did not love that one as much as the rest of the series). It deals with some of the same ideas as Gillen's Journey into Mystery about the relationship between gods and stories, where gods *are* stories. Stories that have power, but are also traps (which in turn goes back to Gaiman's Sandman and to other works before that). This work also throws in a comparison between the worship of gods and the worship of celebrities (in this case specifically popstars/rockstars, even though the gods in the Wicked + the Divine specifically don't make music when they use their powers to excite and inspire the people around them), made even more explicit by basing each god's look on one or more popular music artists (in case of Lucifer even explicitly called out by one of the other characters, accusing her of just ripping her look from her parent's David Bowie collection). In the end it does not do much with that premise though: the characters have little in common with the artists they resemble and the way various characters are tempted by fame and power does not have specific links to the popular music industry (I think only Woden, as "producer" of the Valkyries comes close to that).
Weird tricks your memory plays on you: In my head, the revelation of the '13th' god took place about halfway through the series, but it's in the 2nd of 9 volume (though volumes 3 and 8 are side-stories), so more like the end of Act 1.
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Post by berkley on Mar 7, 2021 17:16:43 GMT -5
This work also throws in a comparison between the worship of gods and the worship of celebrities (in this case specifically popstars/rockstars, even though the gods in the Wicked + the Divine specifically don't make music when they use their powers to excite and inspire the people around them), made even more explicit by basing each god's look on one or more popular music artists (in case of Lucifer even explicitly called out by one of the other characters, accusing her of just ripping her look from her parent's David Bowie collection). In the end it does not do much with that premise though: the characters have little in common with the artists they resemble and the way various characters are tempted by fame and power does not have specific links to the popular music industry (I think only Woden, as "producer" of the Valkyries comes close to that). I think this is what has kept me from finishing the series: I found myself uninterested in the music/celebrity aspect of the story and of its characters, even when an artist I admire, e.g. Bowie, was referenced. Otherwise, I found the series mildly entertaining but generally didnt take to it as much as I had the first Phonogram book - even though that was based on a period and sub-division of pop music I know little about. I might still go back and finishThe Wicked + the Divine some time but it isn't high on my list of comics to get to.
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Post by Dizzy D on Mar 8, 2021 2:51:48 GMT -5
The series does some interesting stuff with the music references (but I haven't figured out yet how they fit into the overall concept of the series, nor how for the 19th Century all gods being writers/poets fits in the concept):
The most interesting thing it does with the music reference is the division between Pantheon/Mainstream and Underworld/Underground music, with the Pantheon being on a stage, performing at their audience and the Underworld performing from within their audience and Persephone, fittingly, moving between Pantheon and Underworld all the time. With the extreme cases on both sides being Woden (who does not even perform and has no direct interaction with his audience), which fits his role as 'producer', and Dionysos (who is not on a stage, but always part of the crowd, even if he's the catalyst for the whole performance), which is his role as 'DJ/Dance artist'.
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Post by commond on Mar 12, 2021 8:32:08 GMT -5
I am completely up to date with Attack on Titan. I think the last chapter comes out next month. Wow. So many twists and turns. I have no idea who is good or bad, right or wrong. The story became so big that it could have easily spiraled out of control, but it was gripping up until the penultimate chapter. One of the great manga series.
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Post by bran on Mar 14, 2021 17:55:06 GMT -5
I am completely up to date with Attack on Titan. I think the last chapter comes out next month. Wow. So many twists and turns. I have no idea who is good or bad, right or wrong. The story became so big that it could have easily spiraled out of control, but it was gripping up until the penultimate chapter. One of the great manga series.
Indeed, it's a wrap. There were some unforced errors in last 10 chapters by Isayama (you don't expand the Universe/add new rules at 11th hour, and especially since it's not necessary) but overall satisfactory conclusion.
On a side note, I was checking anime-related clips on youtube and these came out (and many other) - it's amazing what talented people are capable of doing when they like some fiction.
That Levi vs Beast titan battle was epic. I thought he was sending Levi off, but had a change of heart. Either way, that was just spectacular, the highlight of the entire series, when it comes to action/battles.
The entire vertical maneuvering is very well very well thought of, and very iconic/figurine friendly, especially because of scaling/you can place smaller figurines on larger ones/titans. McFarlane was wise to license that thing.
She is playing all that in a single take, and all ready for vertical maneuvering too.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 16, 2021 8:48:59 GMT -5
Because I'm a glutton for punishment.... read Hickman's first X-Men trade on Hoopla. Its... something. Each of the 1st 6 issues read like the first chapter of a longer story that doesn't continue into the next issue. He throws out a ton of random conflicts and ideas that are only very vaguely related, and I guess they'll get settled later? Or in other books? While I'm intrigued at the idea of all the mutants being on the same side, there are 2 problems.. 1) Hickman. But the real issue is.. it sure seems like the X-Men are the bad guys in this story.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 16, 2021 9:08:36 GMT -5
Because I'm a glutton for punishment.... read Hickman's first X-Men trade on Hoopla. Its... something. Each of the 1st 6 issues read like the first chapter of a longer story that doesn't continue into the next issue. He throws out a ton of random conflicts and ideas that are only very vaguely related, and I guess they'll get settled later? Or in other books? While I'm intrigued at the idea of all the mutants being on the same side, there are 2 problems.. 1) Hickman. But the real issue is.. it sure seems like the X-Men are the bad guys in this story. This is Hickman. Big intriguing ideas that ultimately lead nowhere and peter out as he gets interested in his next big thing.
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Post by The Cheat on Mar 16, 2021 14:21:27 GMT -5
Because I'm a glutton for punishment.... read Hickman's first X-Men trade on Hoopla. Its... something. Each of the 1st 6 issues read like the first chapter of a longer story that doesn't continue into the next issue. He throws out a ton of random conflicts and ideas that are only very vaguely related, and I guess they'll get settled later? Or in other books? While I'm intrigued at the idea of all the mutants being on the same side, there are 2 problems.. 1) Hickman. But the real issue is.. it sure seems like the X-Men are the bad guys in this story. This is Hickman. Big intriguing ideas that ultimately lead nowhere and peter out as he gets interested in his next big thing. Yeah, the mini-series were intriguing, but then Hickman disappeared into the background and the whole thing was farmed out to Marvel's current stable of mediocrity. Very disappointing.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Mar 22, 2021 23:49:26 GMT -5
I've caught up on the Marvel King in Black saga, although I haven't read any of the tie-in books yet. Even though I'm not a huge Venom fan, the main story has been pretty good thus far. I only know of Donny Cates from the Absolute Carnage event that came out I think two years ago which I liked. I know King In Black has it's roots in the Venom run that Cates was writing, so I might finally go back and read more about Eddie Brock's journey from there. Ryan Stegman's art has also been really, really good.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Mar 23, 2021 0:54:48 GMT -5
This is Hickman. Big intriguing ideas that ultimately lead nowhere and peter out as he gets interested in his next big thing. Yeah, the mini-series were intriguing, but then Hickman disappeared into the background and the whole thing was farmed out to Marvel's current stable of mediocrity. Very disappointing. Definitely doesn't seem like it's lived up to the hype. I read the Dawn of X miniseries, and then tried to keep up with X-Men, Excalibur, and X-Force I believe. But I just grew tired with the grandiose ideas that a lot of the time were outlined to the audience via these long Wikipedia-like exposition dumps. Felt like it was a cop-out crutch for being unable to clearly showcase the ideas in actual panel form. I might give this another chance in trade format. Like it was previously stated, the X-Men are a little bit more darker and not seeking harmony with mankind anymore. More so, Charlie and the boys have taken up the Magneto school of thinking, essentially drawing lines in the sand between mutants and humans. I'll say that at least it's a new take on the franchise, but ehhh...I do miss the classic hopeful, maybe even naive Xavier.
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Post by james on Mar 23, 2021 15:01:15 GMT -5
I binged Jeff Lemire Black Hammer universe comics. Oh wow are they just killer stuff. How is the new comic by Johns? I really like the Universe but I do find it a little hard to read the same way Hellboy could be hard to read.
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Post by james on Mar 23, 2021 15:02:45 GMT -5
Trying to find new stuff to read. I've pretty much stopped reading Marvel (Still reading Immortal Hulk) and I read the occasional DC comic
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