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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 23:15:46 GMT -5
Dynamite's Shadow averaged 10-15K per issue (padded by the numbers when Garth Ennis was on it, lower otherwise), which is good for Dynamite, but would be cancellation level anywhere else. Hell, even their massive pulp cross-over series guided by Alex Ross Masks only sold in the 15K range. The Spider and others were below 10K in sales for the most part. Even Matt Wagner couldn't prop up sale son the Shadow beyond that point.
No remembering that there are only 5K Diamond accounts in North America, that means those books are selling an average or 2-3 copies per shop. The number is far less when you consider some of the numbers of copies places like DCBS, TFAW, Midtown, etc. that have large mail order customer bases move, meaning that a majority of shops in North America were moving less than 1 copy per shop on average in reality. That hardly qualifies as pretty well, even considering the lower level of sales overall in the industry. There's a niche market for the pulp heroes and smaller publishers can make a small profit serving that niche, but it's not robust enoughh for DC or Marvel these days, and won't bring extra sales revenue to them. They could make licensing money, but if the licnese costs too much, on top of what Dynamite has to pay to license the pulp characters, it makes the series unprofitable to even attempt because it probably isn't going to sell enough to cover the double dip in licensing, and there would be no money to hire any kind of name talent to draw people to the book.
-M
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Post by tingramretro on Aug 22, 2016 7:40:44 GMT -5
Well, DC has been pretty good about doing crossovers with other publishers in the past. Don't know what the stipulations are for that to happen. It seems to me that these things tend to sell better than not. Archie & Kiss TMNT & Batman Superman & Aliens And all of those sold over 20K and none of them involved Dynamite, whom is not well liked among some of the other publishers because they play fast and loose with copyrights, trademarks and other people's IP. -M DC have licenesed properties to Dynamite before though, there was a Red Sonja/Claw the Unconquered mini a few years ago. And Marvel have done quite a few series' with them. Avengers/Invaders, The Torch, Spider-Man/Red Sonja... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 16:34:11 GMT -5
I'd love to see DC & Dynamite do some kind of crossover with the Shadow, Doc, Superman & Batman. Maybe Superman & the Shadow, and Batman & Doc Savage Speaking hypothetically, since we already saw a Doc Savage/Batman team-up, I'd love to see a Superman/Doc Savage: Battle of the Supermen story. We could even have a great "Clark? Why did you say that name?" moment. |
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Post by earl on Aug 23, 2016 14:54:54 GMT -5
Read the first issues of a couple new Image horror comics with #1 of Demonic and Black Monday Murders. Both of those were pretty impressive but very dark. Artwork and premise both interesting, especially the latter.
The first Batman arc was pretty disappointing story. Finch's artwork was pretty sharp, but that is about it.
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 23, 2016 16:01:17 GMT -5
I've seen that Humans book you mentioned before and really want to read it.
The Batman story arc is from where ? Rebirth ?
The All Star Batman doesn't appeal to me with Bats & Two-Face handcuffed together.
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Post by earl on Aug 23, 2016 17:24:55 GMT -5
Rebirth Batman arc was what I was referring, unless there is a follow up issue the first story finished in #5. All Star Batman was a bit better, but it's obviously a 6 issue story, so it's too early to know if any of it will pay off. When you add in Detective, Batman's seeming a whole lot less competent of late.
Both Snyder and King are trying story tools you see used in movies/tv in comics and to me it's a bit stilted story wise. The villains show up for a panel here and a panel there and the Batman arc just didn't really make that much sense to me. Detective is a bit better, but it's really a team book now. Batman seems kinda marginalized in a way.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Aug 28, 2016 7:40:03 GMT -5
I got a surprisingly timely DCBS box, so I got 'Amelia Cole and the End of Everything' earlier than I thought  . Great ending to the series.. the art was much better than the midddle volumes (which at times felt rather rushed), and the story has a satifying ending that left things in place for future stories of the creators decide to go back to it. I hope this doesn't turn into one of those things where the creators 'move on' and do less interesting stuff because they don't want to be stuck with one property. I'm all for a break if one needs it, but don't go all Brad Bird on us  |
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 28, 2016 10:58:45 GMT -5
I was underwhelmed by Amelia Cole and my oldest daughter felt the same way.
Not bad, just not enough oompf
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 29, 2016 21:03:11 GMT -5
Starting a re-read of the first two volumes of Brubaker and Epting's Velvet, because volume three is coming out soon.
If you love spy books you need to read this book.
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 29, 2016 21:06:42 GMT -5
I read volume 1 and liked it very much.
Brubaker is bankably good.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 29, 2016 21:30:20 GMT -5
I read volume 1 and liked it very much. Brubaker is bankably good. Brubaker might be my favorite currently working writer. It would be close...but Gaiman really doesn't do comics any more....I'm not in love with Moore's recent work...Ennis is still up there as is Ellis, but I don't think their current work is as bankably good right now. Brubaker is probably in my top ten of all time at this point. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 21:51:07 GMT -5
I read volume 1 and liked it very much. Brubaker is bankably good. Brubaker might be my favorite currently working writer. It would be close...but Gaiman really doesn't do comics any more....I'm not in love with Moore's recent work...Ennis is still up there as is Ellis, but I don't think their current work is as bankably good right now. Brubaker is probably in my top ten of all time at this point. Agreed (except I don't like Ennis except for his war stuff). Rucka is the only other close to bankable writer out there, and even then, if it's for the big 2 I usually find it meh from him lately. -M |
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Post by Spike-X on Aug 30, 2016 3:39:12 GMT -5
I read volume 1 and liked it very much. Brubaker is bankably good. Brubaker might be my favorite currently working writer. It would be close...but Gaiman really doesn't do comics any more....I'm not in love with Moore's recent work...Ennis is still up there as is Ellis, but I don't think their current work is as bankably good right now. Brubaker is probably in my top ten of all time at this point. Ellis has been in top form lately. Check out Trees and Injection. I've started reading the first Mark Waid Daredevil HC. I read all the Waid run digitally, but everything's better in print. These are some great comics. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 3:48:46 GMT -5
RE: Ellis-I just ordered Injection Vol. 2 (along with Descender Vol. 2) and should get it the next day or two. Volume 2 of Trees is due out soon I think. I read and enjoyed the first volume of each. I was less impressed with what I read of Bond:VAGR and Karnak-both had ok first issues but not enough to get me to come back and finish either yet.
-M
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Post by String on Aug 30, 2016 14:17:26 GMT -5
Starting a re-read of the first two volumes of Brubaker and Epting's Velvet, because volume three is coming out soon. If you love spy books you need to read this book. Comixology recently had a Brubaker sale so I picked up the first two volumes of Velvet, the first three volumes of Criminal and the first volume I think of Fatale. Frankly, with a pairing of him with Epting, I'm not sure how you could go wrong. Read Kingsway West, a new offering from DH by Greg Pak with art by Mirko Colak. Combining the western genre with magic, it's an alternate-history type tale focusing on a former soldier trying to resume a normal life who becomes embroiled again in the ongoing conflict between Chinese and Mexican forces over a sparse mystical resource. It has some typical tropes to it, but Colak's art is a good match for the more fantasy aspects of the story and I usually find Pak's work to be quite good and with this first glimpse into this new dangerous world, I'm intrigued enough to see where he takes this beyond those usual tropes. |
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. Great ending to the series.. the art was much better than the midddle volumes (which at times felt rather rushed), and the story has a satifying ending that left things in place for future stories of the creators decide to go back to it. 
