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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 15, 2018 4:50:24 GMT -5
My guess is that it got all washed away when Byrne remade the continuity.
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Post by zaku on Sept 15, 2018 5:19:22 GMT -5
My guess is that it got all washed away when Byrne remade the continuity. Of course. I'm curious because it was my understanding that just before Byrne they only did self-contained stories, without any arc or multi-issues b-plot or similar, still I have this vague recollection of Perry White's problem. So, they just didn't write stories in auto-pilot mode, but they still tried to do something...? The panel is from Superman #419, only four issues before Byrne's reboot.
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Post by comicsandwho on Sept 15, 2018 12:56:13 GMT -5
In Alan Moore's 'Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow' two-parter, he wrote a scene between Perry and Alice, where they are at the Fortress, shortly before 'the end'. The scene acknowledges Perry's memory problems, but mainly serves as a 'tender moment' between the two. I don't believe Cary Bates had referred to Perry's condition in the three issues preceding SUPERMAN # 423. DC did a lot of 'minor revamping' of Superman and other characters around 1983, although most of it was forgotten(or acknowledged only for the purpose of changing it) in the wake of Crisis.
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Post by zaku on Sept 15, 2018 18:08:59 GMT -5
In Alan Moore's 'Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow' two-parter, he wrote a scene between Perry and Alice, where they are at the Fortress, shortly before 'the end'. The scene acknowledges Perry's memory problems, but mainly serves as a 'tender moment' between the two. I don't believe Cary Bates had referred to Perry's condition in the three issues preceding SUPERMAN # 423. DC did a lot of 'minor revamping' of Superman and other characters around 1983, although most of it was forgotten(or acknowledged only for the purpose of changing it) in the wake of Crisis. Thank you. Would you mind telling me the exact page? I have the collected edition but I can not find it.
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Post by Cei-U! on Sept 15, 2018 19:34:19 GMT -5
I just took a look at the scene between Perry and his wife in "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow" and while they do discuss their ongoing marital problems and hint at a reconciliation, there is no mention of Perry's slipping mental faculties. So no, that plotline was not resolved.
Cei-U! I summon the final answer!
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Post by comicsandwho on Sept 15, 2018 20:33:06 GMT -5
Yeah, apparently, I'm the one with the bad memory! I'm not sure there had been any mention of the Whites having marital problems. <ethinks Moore just wanted some reason for both of them to be in the story.
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Post by Cei-U! on Sept 15, 2018 21:23:06 GMT -5
Yeah, apparently, I'm the one with the bad memory! I'm not sure there had been any mention of the Whites having marital problems. <ethinks Moore just wanted some reason for both of them to be in the story. The Whites had separated at the time the pre-reboot continuity was winding down. It was an ongoing subplot in the Superman titles.
Cei-U! I summon the marriage counselor!
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Post by zaku on Sept 16, 2018 2:09:58 GMT -5
Yeah, apparently, I'm the one with the bad memory! I'm not sure there had been any mention of the Whites having marital problems. <ethinks Moore just wanted some reason for both of them to be in the story. The Whites had separated at the time the pre-reboot continuity was winding down. It was an ongoing subplot in the Superman titles.
Cei-U! I summon the marriage counselor!
I see. What's better than depicting a marriage crisis between two senior citizens to revamp the character and attract new readers? New Teen Titans! X-Men! Daredevil! Watch your back! There's a new sheriff in the town and his name is Action Comics starring Perry White and the Couples Therapy!
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Post by codystarbuck on Sept 16, 2018 10:21:51 GMT -5
The Whites had separated at the time the pre-reboot continuity was winding down. It was an ongoing subplot in the Superman titles.
Cei-U! I summon the marriage counselor!
I see. What's better than depicting a marriage crisis between two senior citizens to revamp the character and attract new readers? New Teen Titans! X-Men! Daredevil! Watch your back! There's a new sheriff in the town and his name is Action Comics starring Perry White and the Couples Therapy!Well, seriously, marital discord was a major subplot in both the Fantastic Four (Reed & Sue) and the Avengers (Hank and Jan); so, it had precedents. Also, it was a subplot, not the main story.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Sept 21, 2018 17:32:08 GMT -5
How much of the original Suicide Squad is worth buying? I have about 20 issues between #1 and #55 and enjoyed them despite not having too many in actual succession. Outside of like 3 issues I don’t own they’re all resonably priced at Lone Star and I’m kind of in the mood to read something straight through with no waiting. But I want to get my money's worth and/or not buy any issues that aren’t that good.
Same with Captain Atom. I’d be interested in reading more than what I own too.
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 21, 2018 17:40:25 GMT -5
How much of the original Suicide Squad is worth buying? I have about 20 issues between #1 and #55 and enjoyed them despite not having too many in actual succession. Outside of like 3 issues I don’t own they’re all resonably priced at Lone Star and I’m kind of in the mood to read something straight through with no waiting. But I want to get my money's worth and/or not buy any issues that aren’t that good. Same with Captain Atom. I’d be interested in reading more than what I own too. I have the entire run of 66 and I remember the first 25 or so being good. I don't remember the rest, I might have to pull them out this year.
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Post by Cei-U! on Sept 21, 2018 19:19:14 GMT -5
I discussed the Suicide Squad series in the What Classic Comics Have You Read thread a while back. 'bone has it right: the first two years are really good. The art goes significantly donhill after Luke McDonnell leaves the book but the writing stays unifornly excellent through the end of the run, except for a handful of issues caught in crossover event hell. It's worth seeking out IMHO, as is the Deadshot mini-series that ties in to it.
Cei-U! I summon my stamp of approval!
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Post by comicsandwho on Sept 21, 2018 20:12:56 GMT -5
DC pulled a real boner by not reprinting it before the late -80s hardback 'Greatest Joker Stories Ever Told' collection.
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Post by comicsandwho on Sept 21, 2018 20:50:19 GMT -5
By the time I was reading comics, DC was only* doing reprints in digests. I had one or two Marvel reprint titles(TALES. GREATEST COMICS, SUPER ACTION), without knowing at the time what they were reprinting. * With the exception of the Famous First Edition reprint of Superman # 1, in '78...the last time they did a reprint tabloid.
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Post by Prince Hal on Sept 21, 2018 22:00:23 GMT -5
Okay, I'll play....
Has this Batman story ever been reprinted in a regular DC reprint title from any era? (eg Batman Family, DC Blue Ribbon Digest etc).
As much as I'd like to get the original I think it's easier to squeeze orange juice out of an apple.
Maybe one day though...
GCD has it in a 2008 collection: The Joker: The Greatest Stories Ever Told.
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