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Post by beccabear67 on Mar 28, 2020 21:46:01 GMT -5
I don't have any of those Mark Jeweler insert editions. Not by choice, I just never came across any. They were in the editions sold on military bases; a lot of service people would order jewellery etc. from them. Other than that you could have gotten one as a back issue. --- I read that whole Dave Wigransky story, it was really amazing, especially the correspondence with Basil Wolverton! I may have had the Other Worlds pulp digest that had one of his ads in it. I had four or five of those when Ray Palmer was the editor and it had a lot of fandom content. Forrest Ackerman had a regular fandom column in Imagination I think, that was the other digest with stuff like that. There was a fair amount of cross-over with Science Fiction-Comics-Records, but I was very impressed by the one list of Wigransky's with a Bert Williams rarity! I remember running across the ads of west coast Cherokee Bookshop in various places.
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Post by Trevor on Mar 29, 2020 6:07:26 GMT -5
I always wondered why a jeweler would spend so much money on advertising in comic books, but I guess that military angle makes sense. Thanks becca!
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 29, 2020 8:16:24 GMT -5
I don't have any of those Mark Jeweler insert editions. Not by choice, I just never came across any. Welcome to the forum, Rags
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 29, 2020 8:22:24 GMT -5
Here's a question- The famous Lady Liberators issue of Avengers # 83 had the females banding together behind a Valkrie who was really the Enchantress. I don't remember if she used her spells to make them hostile towards the males, did she ?
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Post by Cei-U! on Mar 29, 2020 9:11:23 GMT -5
Here's a question- The famous Lady Liberators issue of Avengers # 83 had the females banding together behind a Valkrie who was really the Enchantress. I don't remember if she used her spells to make them hostile towards the males, did she ? Here's an answer: Yup.
Cei-U! I summon the absolute nadir of Roy Thomas' Avengers run!
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Post by chadwilliam on Mar 29, 2020 12:48:17 GMT -5
Perhaps the most novice sounding question I can think of, but I truly don't know the answer (and by "answer", I mean a ball park estimate).
How common was it to kill off a superhero only to bring him/her/them back not long afterwards at the time DC pulled this stunt with Superman in 1992? The common assumption was "Come on, he's not really going to stay dead. Nobody stays dead in comics except for Uncle Ben and Bucky", but thinking about it now, was that really true at the time? Barry Allen, Supergirl, Jason Todd, even Barbara Gordon being confined to a wheelchair - these were all seemingly permanent changes at the time. Yes, I know, none of those characters with the exception of Supergirl remain dead today (even Bucky is back), but in 1992, I don't recall there being a sentiment of "Oh, they'll bring back Barry Allen/Jason Todd/Supergirl any day now, just wait and see. Oh, Barbara Gordon's not really going to stay in that wheelchair - are you kidding? It's just a stunt." Superman, of course, was a bigger character and arguably not as expendable as, say, Robin who could be played by someone else, but was death in comics really as obviously meaningless in 1992 as it is today?
Alfred, Aunt May, Jean Grey - all characters who died and came back by that point, but was the track record really so bad? Norman Osborn, Gwen Stacy (though I know she had a clone running around), Elektra, the original Doom Patrol (I'm iffy on this one since I don't know if they were resurrected pre or post 1992) had been dead for about 10-20 years at that time.
Again, I'm not talking about how many times did a hero seemingly die at the start of a tale only to reveal it was all a ruse by issue's end - I mean 'dead' as in the character's snuffed it, there's a body, and no surprise revelation by the end of the story.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 12:56:40 GMT -5
This should qualify....
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Post by chadwilliam on Mar 29, 2020 13:09:19 GMT -5
This should qualify.... Those were after 1992 though.
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Post by Farrar on Mar 29, 2020 14:40:23 GMT -5
Here's a question- The famous Lady Liberators issue of Avengers # 83 had the females banding together behind a Valkrie who was really the Enchantress. I don't remember if she used her spells to make them hostile towards the males, did she ? Yes...similar scenario to the brainwashing/mind control of the female Legionnaires a few years earlier, in Adventure #326 and #368, courtesy of Siegel and Shooter respectively.
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Post by beccabear67 on Mar 29, 2020 14:51:31 GMT -5
Thunderbird, killed in X-Men #95, had stayed dead, at least as of 1992. Captain Marvel killed in Marvel Graphic Novel #1, also stayed dead. So there's a couple other stayed there.
Robot Man of The Doom Patrol was revived in the late '70s Showcase revival, and Negative Man and The Chief in the 1987 series... Rita Farr/Elasti-girl was still dead in 1992 I'm pretty sure. So three revived, one stayed.
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Post by Prince Hal on Mar 29, 2020 15:35:02 GMT -5
One of the oddest comic deaths happened to DC's Crusader, who patrolled the streets of Detroit in the late Silver Age. He appeared in, of all places, Aquaman, courtesy Steve Skeates, and the story presented him tot he reader as if, of course you all know the Crusader! The Crusader played a bit too rough for the established DC heroes, who apparently had rejected his plea to join the JLA. Again, there had never been any mention of all this anywhere else. But as a reader of comics in the age when distribution was less than pandemic, I did a double- and triple-take as I tried to recall how I had missed this new character and figured I had simply missed various comics in which the events Skeates was describing had occurred. But in a bizarre and sudden twist, and with Skeates bringing a touch of realism to funny books about guys in tights leaping from roof to roof, here's what happened... The Crusader: First Appearance, Aquaman 56; final appearance, Aquaman 56; death, Aquaman 56. To my knowledge, Don Powers, aka the Crusader, has never returned. Neither have Junior Juniper or Pam Hawley from Sgt. Fury's early days, either. Unless there's been some serious ret-conning I'm unaware of. (And that could be!)
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 29, 2020 15:39:59 GMT -5
What a bizzare death. . How many pages did he last ?
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Mar 29, 2020 15:45:28 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, the Crusader was worried about his increasingly poor eyesight... Something that would be eventually fatal, as confirmed by the policeman’s words at the end.
I really enjoyed that story, and back when it was rumoured that Dick Grayson would drop his Robin persona for a more “adult” one, I half expected him to take the Crusader’s mantle.
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Post by foxley on Mar 29, 2020 16:54:44 GMT -5
Perhaps the most novice sounding question I can think of, but I truly don't know the answer (and by "answer", I mean a ball park estimate). How common was it to kill off a superhero only to bring him/her/them back not long afterwards at the time DC pulled this stunt with Superman in 1992? The common assumption was "Come on, he's not really going to stay dead. Nobody stays dead in comics except for Uncle Ben and Bucky", but thinking about it now, was that really true at the time? Barry Allen, Supergirl, Jason Todd, even Barbara Gordon being confined to a wheelchair - these were all seemingly permanent changes at the time. Yes, I know, none of those characters with the exception of Supergirl remain dead today (even Bucky is back), but in 1992, I don't recall there being a sentiment of "Oh, they'll bring back Barry Allen/Jason Todd/Supergirl any day now, just wait and see. Oh, Barbara Gordon's not really going to stay in that wheelchair - are you kidding? It's just a stunt." Superman, of course, was a bigger character and arguably not as expendable as, say, Robin who could be played by someone else, but was death in comics really as obviously meaningless in 1992 as it is today? Alfred, Aunt May, Jean Grey - all characters who died and came back by that point, but was the track record really so bad? Norman Osborn, Gwen Stacy (though I know she had a clone running around), Elektra, the original Doom Patrol (I'm iffy on this one since I don't know if they were resurrected pre or post 1992) had been dead for about 10-20 years at that time. Again, I'm not talking about how many times did a hero seemingly die at the start of a tale only to reveal it was all a ruse by issue's end - I mean 'dead' as in the character's snuffed it, there's a body, and no surprise revelation by the end of the story. Professor X was 'dead' from X-Men #42 (1968) to X-Men #65 (1970), only for it be eventually revealed that it had been Changeling posing as Professor X.
Jean Grey: dead from X-Men #137 (1980) to Fantastic Four #286 (1986)
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Post by Phil Maurice on Mar 29, 2020 17:12:30 GMT -5
Perhaps the most novice sounding question I can think of, but I truly don't know the answer (and by "answer", I mean a ball park estimate). How common was it to kill off a superhero only to bring him/her/them back not long afterwards at the time DC pulled this stunt with Superman in 1992? Professor X was 'dead' from X-Men #42 (1968) to X-Men #65 (1970), only for it be eventually revealed that it had been Changeling posing as Professor X.
Jean Grey: dead from X-Men #137 (1980) to Fantastic Four #286 (1986)
Wonder Man: Dead from Avengers 9, but referenced frequently and eventually revived in Avengers in the mid-70s.
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