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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 1, 2020 13:41:29 GMT -5
.....The inking is credited to 'The Saint'. Does anyone know who this was? Simon Templar Must have been between heists/cases.
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Post by foxley on Apr 1, 2020 15:28:43 GMT -5
I just read The Further Adventures of Indiana Jones #14 from Marvel from 1984. The inking is credited to 'The Saint'. Does anyone know who this was? Whoever it was, I have to say that their inking did absolutely no favours to David Mazzucchelli's pencils. Vince Colletta, certainly. Thanks.
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Post by brutalis on Apr 1, 2020 15:34:47 GMT -5
I just read The Further Adventures of Indiana Jones #14 from Marvel from 1984. The inking is credited to 'The Saint'. Does anyone know who this was? Whoever it was, I have to say that their inking did absolutely no favours to David Mazzucchelli's pencils. Vince Colletta, certainly. Your own fault should Vinnie's friends send over an over-sized hairy enforcer to "collect" on your apology. Ya Know Whud AH Mean?
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Post by MWGallaher on Apr 1, 2020 16:03:41 GMT -5
It must have gone something like this: Shooter: "Vinnie, we need these pencils inked and delivered next Tuesday. You're our only hope." Colletta: "I can do it, but it ain't gonna be pretty. Leave my name off it." Shooter: "Vinnie, you're a saint!" Colletta: "OK, Jimmy, put that in the credits!"
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Post by Rob Allen on Apr 2, 2020 14:59:09 GMT -5
This came from the Comixscholars list. Anyone have a few minutes for a questionnaire about Doctor Doom? Survey link is mjhibbett.co.uk/doom/survey/"I [Mark Hibbett, not me] am undertaking this survey as part of a PhD at Central St Martins College called 'Doctor Doom In The Marvel Age: An Empirical Approach To Transmedia Character Coherence'. Its main purpose is to discover Doctor Doom's core characteristics - the things that make him Doctor Doom. There are questions about this in three sections: to do with Doctor Doom himself, the world he lives in, and the people and organisations involved in the creation of his stories. To help you, each question is illustrated with examples for other characters. There is also space for you to add any characteristics of Doctor Doom that you do not think have been covered elsewhere. At the end of the survey there are a few questions about your experience of Doctor Doom's media appearances. The whole survey should take about 20 minutes. Please note that the survey is interested in your overall perception of Doctor Doom in any media, rather than any specific version. If you can't think of an answer for any question please leave it blank - finding out if some aspects of Doctor Doom's character are less well-known than others is part of the research."
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 2, 2020 20:00:51 GMT -5
This came from the Comixscholars list. Anyone have a few minutes for a questionnaire about Doctor Doom? Survey link is mjhibbett.co.uk/doom/survey/"I [Mark Hibbett, not me] am undertaking this survey as part of a PhD at Central St Martins College called 'Doctor Doom In The Marvel Age: An Empirical Approach To Transmedia Character Coherence'.
Its main purpose is to discover Doctor Doom's core characteristics - the things that make him Doctor Doom. There are questions about this in three sections: to do with Doctor Doom himself, the world he lives in, and the people and organisations involved in the creation of his stories. To help you, each question is illustrated with examples for other characters. There is also space for you to add any characteristics of Doctor Doom that you do not think have been covered elsewhere. At the end of the survey there are a few questions about your experience of Doctor Doom's media appearances. The whole survey should take about 20 minutes. Please note that the survey is interested in your overall perception of Doctor Doom in any media, rather than any specific version. If you can't think of an answer for any question please leave it blank - finding out if some aspects of Doctor Doom's character are less well-known than others is part of the research." Who wrote that title, Reed Richards? As usual, Bill Watterson wrote the last word in this kind of thing... My classmates in college hated me on final exams. Most of my classes dealt in essay exams and I was usually done in under one hour (we were usually allotted 3 hours). I wrote Who, What, When, Where, Why and How, while they were padding their answers. I always found it better to state your case succinctly and back it up with only as many details as necessary. My professors seemed to appreciate it as I usually got pretty good grades, even the history professor who I called out in the middle of lecture for giving bogus information about John F Kennedy. I still took the survey though; if you have to write statements like that, you need all the info you can get.
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Post by beccabear67 on Apr 2, 2020 20:50:38 GMT -5
I dunno, I think Stephen King said all that needed to be said about Victor Von Doom when he wrote that he was "hideously scarred by his twisted pursuit of forbidden science." It's enough for me most of the time.
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Post by foxley on Apr 3, 2020 2:57:10 GMT -5
It must have gone something like this: Shooter: "Vinnie, we need these pencils inked and delivered next Tuesday. You're our only hope." Colletta: "I can do it, but it ain't gonna be pretty. Leave my name off it." Shooter: "Vinnie, you're a saint!" Colletta: "OK, Jimmy, put that in the credits!" Vince Colletta does ink some issues following #14, so perhaps he was 'The Saint'. However, in those later issues he is inking Herb Trimpe (IMO the worst artist to ever work on the title) and then Larry Lieber, so its hard to know exactly where to lay the blame for any artistic sins in these issues.
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Post by MWGallaher on Apr 3, 2020 6:49:13 GMT -5
Vince Colletta does ink some issues following #14, so perhaps he was 'The Saint'. However, he is inking Herb Trimpe (IMO the worst artist to ever work on the title) and then Larry Lieber, so its hard to know exactly where to lay the blame for any artistic sins in these issues. It's possible, perhaps likely, that Colletta called in some assistance, but the dominant penwork is unmistakably that of Vince Colletta: Colletta's approach to rendering hair, his pin-striping of suits and emphasizing fabric textures like Indy's overwhelming herringbone suit here, the attention to eyelashes and lip textures, the occasional eyes that don't appear to look in the same direction--all are hallmarks of Colletta's ink style. Even the best inkers couldn't consistently replicate his distinctive style if they wanted to--and I can't think of any who ever would have wanted to.
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Post by foxley on Apr 4, 2020 1:01:30 GMT -5
Vince Colletta does ink some issues following #14, so perhaps he was 'The Saint'. However, he is inking Herb Trimpe (IMO the worst artist to ever work on the title) and then Larry Lieber, so its hard to know exactly where to lay the blame for any artistic sins in these issues. It's possible, perhaps likely, that Colletta called in some assistance, but the dominant penwork is unmistakably that of Vince Colletta: Colletta's approach to rendering hair, his pin-striping of suits and emphasizing fabric textures like Indy's overwhelming herringbone suit here, the attention to eyelashes and lip textures, the occasional eyes that don't appear to look in the same direction--all are hallmarks of Colletta's ink style. Even the best inkers couldn't consistently replicate his distinctive style if they wanted to--and I can't think of any who ever would have wanted to. Thanks again, M.W.
I don't know what was going on with the inking during that middle period of Marvel's Indiana Jones book. I just reached issue #21 and it credits 6(!) inkers on the one issue: Wiawek, Leialoha, Able, Milgrom, Potts and Norton. Pencils are by Steve Ditko and it is interesting to see what a difference the inkers make to one artist. I don't claim be an expert on 80s inkers, but I can definitely identify which pages Leialoha and Milgrom inked
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2020 1:08:38 GMT -5
Thanks again, M.W. I don't know what was going on with the inking during that middle period of Marvel's Indiana Jones book. I just reached issue #21 and it credits 6(!) inkers on the one issue: Wiawek, Leialoha, Able, Milgrom, Potts and Norton. Pencils are by Steve Ditko and it is interesting to see what a difference the inkers make to one artist. I don't claim be an expert on 80s inkers, but I can definitely identify which pages Leialoha and Milgrom inked During that time Lucasfilm had to approve everything before it saw print, and could be heavy-handed in requiring lots of last minute changes to script and art before giving approval, so I am sure it wreaked havoc on deadlines and production schedules, and inking is the stage that most of that time would have to have been made up, so divvying up the pages among several inkers was probably a last resort to get books out on schedule. -M
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Post by Mormel on Apr 4, 2020 5:59:44 GMT -5
Re-reading X-Men yet again... Both Incredible Hulk 180/181 as well as Giant-Size X-Men have Wolverine stationed at a base in Quebec. Can it then be inferred that Wolverine is at least conversational in French, even if he's not French Canadian himself? Or would his colleagues and superiors address him in English? I'm assuming that a position with the Canadian intelligence service and a posting at Quebec would benefit from his knowing French. Just a random shower thought from a linguistics enthusiast. The second shower thought (or maybe not, as much as it is just reading the damn comic) is that in Giant Size X-Men Krakoa outright states that he influenced Professor X into gathering mutants to send after the X-Men he had already kidnapped to siphon energy from... So technically the new X-Men weren't consciously gathered by Xavier to be a rescue force and then later potentially a new class of X-Men, as much as they were gathered to be Krakoa's second helping.
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 4, 2020 6:07:01 GMT -5
Even if Krakoa was the person behind the gathering, it was up to them to decide who would stay. The original Avengers was gathered together by Loki accidentally as well. Makes me wonder which superteam has the best origin story for uniting?
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Post by rberman on Apr 4, 2020 8:29:42 GMT -5
The second shower thought (or maybe not, as much as it is just reading the damn comic) is that in Giant Size X-Men Krakoa outright states that he influenced Professor X into gathering mutants to send after the X-Men he had already kidnapped to siphon energy from... So technically the new X-Men weren't consciously gathered by Xavier to be a rescue force and then later potentially a new class of X-Men, as much as they were gathered to be Krakoa's second helping. Later retconned by Ed Brubaker to be a third helping. I was amused in retrospect that Len Wein made the villain to be a walking island straight out of Marvel's early 60s monster mags, played totally straight in the middle of the Bronze Age. Come to think of it, John Byrne had Alpha Flight fight a walking mountain in their debut issue as well. Then he made "Spragg, the Living Hill" an ongoing character in Sensational She-Hulk. And Darwyn Cooke made a living island the Big Bad of The New Frontier. I guess nostalgia runs strong.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Apr 4, 2020 9:20:11 GMT -5
Re-reading X-Men yet again... Both Incredible Hulk 180/181 as well as Giant-Size X-Men have Wolverine stationed at a base in Quebec. Can it then be inferred that Wolverine is at least conversational in French, even if he's not French Canadian himself? Or would his colleagues and superiors address him in English? I'm assuming that a position with the Canadian intelligence service and a posting at Quebec would benefit from his knowing French. Interesting observation! Thanks to Dave Cockrum’s attention to detail when it comes to airplanes, we can even guess that Logan was stationed in Bagotville, due to the presence of a CF-101 Voodoo in an introductory shot. Since that part of Quebec is pretty remote and the door to the wild and mosquito haunted north, he would have felt just at home. He would also have learned to speak French, yes, unless he never talked to anyone. The everyday language of his colleagues would have been French, and although most would have spoken at least some English, I’m sure Logan would have picked up the local language rather quickly. Which means he must have a Quebec accent, unless he had learned French earlier in his long life. Ah ben, câline! Y sonne comme un p’tit gars d’chez nous!
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