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Post by foxley on Jan 31, 2016 1:36:51 GMT -5
Here's a question for the Aquaman fans. I just finished the Aquaman story in Detective Comics #294 and there's a bit where Aquaman commands albatrosses. (Several of them are grabbing a rope and he grabs the other end of it and they carry him around in the sky.) Is this a regular thing that Aquaman can do? Can he command sea-birds on a regular basis, or is this an anomaly, a relic of the days when continuity was a word in the dictionary that writers didn't think too much about? Can Aquaman talk to ducks and penguins and puffins and ospreys and other such birds of the sea? I'm going to guess that it's a flukey lapse of continuity, and inconsistency about Aquaman's powers, and strength level. Some writers would put Aquaman in Namor's strength class(He's bulletproof; He'd kill you underwater, and once on land, you'd have to hope he'd tire out, or hit the 'one-hour limit'.) Others would limit him to 'telepathic orders to a school of fish'-type action. During the 'Detroit JLA' era, Gerry Conway had a few instances (one involving Steel) where Aquaman used telepathy against humans to 'end an argument', which suggests that his telepathy isn't limited to marine life, but readers of that book complained that 'his powers aren't supposed to work like that'. The 'command sea birds' seems to be a lapse, as I can recall multiple times where Aquaman summons a school of flying fish to swarm opponents on boats. This seems like an unnecessary amount of effort if he could just command a flock of seagulls (insert your own 80s music gag here) to do the same thing instead. |
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Post by realjla on Jan 31, 2016 1:56:03 GMT -5
I'm going to guess that it's a flukey lapse of continuity, and inconsistency about Aquaman's powers, and strength level. Some writers would put Aquaman in Namor's strength class(He's bulletproof; He'd kill you underwater, and once on land, you'd have to hope he'd tire out, or hit the 'one-hour limit'.) Others would limit him to 'telepathic orders to a school of fish'-type action. During the 'Detroit JLA' era, Gerry Conway had a few instances (one involving Steel) where Aquaman used telepathy against humans to 'end an argument', which suggests that his telepathy isn't limited to marine life, but readers of that book complained that 'his powers aren't supposed to work like that'. The 'command sea birds' seems to be a lapse, as I can recall multiple times where Aquaman summons a school of flying fish to swarm opponents on boats. This seems like an unnecessary amount of effort if he could just command a flock of seagulls (insert your own 80s music gag here) to do the same thing instead. [Aquaman makes 'intense concentration' face, that 'Super Friends' BLEEPBLEEPBLEEP 'telepathic sound effect, accompanied by those big circles' ensue.] "Run. Run so far away." And they did. |
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Post by tingramretro on Jan 31, 2016 8:05:25 GMT -5
As originally introduced, Aquaman's telepathy let him command *any* form of animal life that lived in or near the oceans: mammals, birds, reptiles, crustaceans, coelenterates, mollusks, plankton, etc. Lighthouse keepers? Beachcombers? Patrick Duffy? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 8:33:13 GMT -5
Have the Bill Everett fans seen this one?:  It's from Menace #5, an Atlas comic of the 1950s. I guess it's been reprinted in Marvel Masterworks fairly recently but I saw it in a 1990s reprint called Curse of the Weird #4, which is probably still pretty cheap. P.S. I checked eBay and you can get Curse of the Weird #4 for $2 or $3 or the whole four-issue mini-series for $10. I hadn't! I mean, it might be in one of my Everett collections, and I just have not come across it yet because I haven't flipped through all of them, but if it's not, I'm going to order the MMW! Thanks for this, Hoosier X! |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 31, 2016 9:33:29 GMT -5
I thought one of the Archie experts would answer this. He's an artist that Drew various Archie mags. He lives on my route and gets many Archie books sent to him. A quick search on the GCD shows he was an editor for Harvey in the 80s-90s an still works in the industry (he has credits in a book with a Nov 2015 cover date) primarily as an inker for Archie. Other than that, I know nothing. -M Yesterday I had the occasion to talk to Ken. I told him I was a comic geek and he offered to give me some books. Sadly, he told me he was probably not going to do more work for the business because he didn't know( or maybe didn't have the energy, I gather) to learn how to draw digitally. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 9:45:34 GMT -5
Icctrombone's avatar has me thinking  Is there a specific Thor isue that goes into some detail about that hammer? For example, how much does it weigh? |
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Post by Cei-U! on Jan 31, 2016 10:21:14 GMT -5
I can't recall any story mentioning the hammer's weight (but it could've happened after I stopped following Thor in the '80s). We do know that it was forged of "uru" metal by Geirrodur's rock troll smiths at Odin's request before he enchanted it, and that Thor couldn't lift it (without the Belt of Strength he wore as a boy, that is) until he'd done enough noble deeds to be deemed worthy.
's all I got.
Cei-U!
I summon mighty Mjolnir!
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jan 31, 2016 11:36:37 GMT -5
I did a quick Google check because I vaguely recalled Mjolnir being given a weight at one point. Apparently the only time it was listed with in the 1991 set of Marvel Super Hero trading cards. The card for Mjolnir listed it as weighing 42.3 lbs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 11:38:37 GMT -5
A quick search on the GCD shows he was an editor for Harvey in the 80s-90s an still works in the industry (he has credits in a book with a Nov 2015 cover date) primarily as an inker for Archie. Other than that, I know nothing. -M Yesterday I had the occasion to talk to Ken. I told him I was a comic geek and he offered to give me some books. Sadly, he told me he was probably not going to do more work for the business because he didn't know( or maybe didn't have the energy, I gather) to learn how to draw digitally. That's unfortunate. My wife made the transition to digital art and love sit. I can't quite get used to working on the tablet, so I can understand where he is coming from. -M |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jan 31, 2016 11:39:11 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 12:03:27 GMT -5
42.3 lbs? Then why is there such an issue to lift it?  |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jan 31, 2016 12:46:11 GMT -5
It was never about the weight. It's always been the enchantment. After all, Thor couldn't lift it early on and I'd assume he was just about as strong as he was when he finally was deemed "worthy." Cap lifted it too at one point.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jan 31, 2016 15:21:38 GMT -5
fin-ish |
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Post by realjla on Jan 31, 2016 16:07:24 GMT -5
Wayne: "We can TOTALLY lift Thor's hammer, right Garth?"
Garth: "Way!"
Thor: "I say thee nay, strange ones!"
W & G: "WAY!"
Thor: "NAY!"
Bill & Ted: "EXCUSE us, most triumphant Goldilocks Dude, and access TV studs,but did any of you see a phone booth?"
Thor: "I say thee, ENOW! Midgard shall hath naught to do with Thor...until yon monthly poker game 'twixt the Avengers and Fantastic Four, on the morrow."
THUNDERCLAP
Everyone else: "BO-O-O-O-GUUUUS!"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 18:36:53 GMT -5
Wayne: "We can TOTALLY lift Thor's hammer, right Garth?" Garth: "Way!" Thor: "I say thee nay, strange ones!" W & G: "WAY!" Thor: "NAY!" Bill & Ted: "EXCUSE us, most triumphant Goldilocks Dude, and access TV studs,but did any of you see a phone booth?" Thor: "I say thee, ENOW! Midgard shall hath naught to do with Thor...until yon monthly poker game 'twixt the Avengers and Fantastic Four, on the morrow." THUNDERCLAP Everyone else: "BO-O-O-O-GUUUUS!" You need to finish the bit with Lady Thor walking in and grabbing the "hammer" then the boys going out with a shwing as it fades to black! Much more in line with the SNL style writing of the skits. -M |
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