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Post by Farrar on Apr 8, 2021 15:59:34 GMT -5
Was it Roy? Because Gerry Conway wrote the JLA story..... The issue itself credits Marv Wolfman with the idea. It was a very Wolfman thing to do, if you ask me. Fwiw, here's Roy's take on it, from 2015's Back Issue #82: "Marv himself says he doesn't recall making any suggestion, but I do...though it wasn't anything he was pushing for. He had made the comment somewhere, sometime, that it'd be better if the Black Canary now on Earth-One was the daughter of the Earth-Two one rather than the original Canary...and I ran with that. I never asked Marv for any input on the story, so he's not to blame for what I may have done with his original notion." And from the same article/interview, here's Conway's take: "That's Roy's wanting to dot the 'I's' and cross the "T's. He wanted to explain the age of the character and why she is younger, and all these things that really raise more questions than needed to. It was mostly something he wanted to accomplish."
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Post by shaxper on Apr 8, 2021 20:52:31 GMT -5
And from the same article/interview, here's Conway's take: "That's Roy's wanting to dot the 'I's' and cross the "T's. He wanted to explain the age of the character and why she is younger, and all these things that really raise more questions than needed to. ...says the guy who sought to fix the Donna Troy problem in Teen Titans and went on to conceive of and write COIE as a fix to the jumbled DC multiverse.
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Post by Ozymandias on Apr 9, 2021 4:27:31 GMT -5
Don't know if anyone's interested, but The Immortal Hulk Omnibus Volume 3 was released on time and it's on its way. Pre-order price was 18.15€ up to a couple of days before release, as soon as it got out, it was raised to 24.29€.
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Post by Farrar on Apr 10, 2021 9:54:22 GMT -5
And from the same article/interview, here's Conway's take: "That's Roy's wanting to dot the 'I's' and cross the "T's. He wanted to explain the age of the character and why she is younger, and all these things that really raise more questions than needed to. ...says the guy who sought to fix the Donna Troy problem in Teen Titans and went on to conceive of and write COIE as a fix to the jumbled DC multiverse. Think you may have read this too quickly --this is from Gerry Conway (the co-writer for these issues) ...not Marv Wolfman.
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Post by shaxper on Apr 10, 2021 10:08:58 GMT -5
...says the guy who sought to fix the Donna Troy problem in Teen Titans and went on to conceive of and write COIE as a fix to the jumbled DC multiverse. Think you may have read this too quickly --this is from Gerry Conway (the co-writer for these issues) ...not Marv Wolfman. You are correct, sir. I still maintain this thoroughly feels like a Wolfman idea to me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2021 22:35:13 GMT -5
Does anyone know anything about the contents of Howard Keltner's Index to Golden Age Comics? How thorough are the entries? What companies are covered? How accurate is the info? Heavy or light on artwork? Is it just story indexes or does it include creator info? Etc. -M
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Post by Prince Hal on Apr 12, 2021 23:47:58 GMT -5
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Post by cliff on Apr 15, 2021 21:38:35 GMT -5
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 15, 2021 22:42:04 GMT -5
Don't recognize either as anything from comics or cartoons. The first one looks like someone repurposed an old illustration with the beer bottle, the second I have no earthly idea. Doesn't look like any advertising mascot I ever saw, nor cartoon or comic character. Not recognizable as a storybook character, either, to me. Anyone who can identify that is one up on me (well, 1000 ups). The best I can say as the dude with the beer reminds me, a slight bit, of a mad scientist character from the Bugs Bunny cartoon, Water Water Every Hare, who is voiced like Boris Karloff.
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Post by cliff on Apr 16, 2021 0:00:44 GMT -5
Don't recognize either as anything from comics or cartoons. The first one looks like someone repurposed an old illustration with the beer bottle, the second I have no earthly idea. Doesn't look like any advertising mascot I ever saw, nor cartoon or comic character. Not recognizable as a storybook character, either, to me. Anyone who can identify that is one up on me (well, 1000 ups). The best I can say as the dude with the beer reminds me, a slight bit, of a mad scientist character from the Bugs Bunny cartoon, Water Water Every Hare, who is voiced like Boris Karloff. oooh this is a great lead thanks! We think the beer is obscuring a clue. Also if anyone sees this and is curious we’re competing in the 90FM Trivia competition- very fun to lookup
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Post by Ricky Jackson on Apr 17, 2021 15:22:38 GMT -5
I've been reading a lot of Captain America in the last year, especially in the last few weeks to coincide with Falcon and Winter Soldier. Sometimes Steve Rogers is shown growing up on the Lower East Side of Manhattan, sometimes he is shown growing up in Brooklyn. There seems to be no consistency, even in the last decade. In the movies he's from Brooklyn. When did this become so confusing? When did it start to flip flop all the time, or has it actually been more consistent than it seems?
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 17, 2021 19:17:34 GMT -5
I've been reading a lot of Captain America in the last year, especially in the last few weeks to coincide with Falcon and Winter Soldier. Sometimes Steve Rogers is shown growing up on the Lower East Side of Manhattan, sometimes he is shown growing up in Brooklyn. There seems to be no consistency, even in the last decade. In the movies he's from Brooklyn. When did this become so confusing? When did it start to flip flop all the time, or has it actually been more consistent than it seems? I don't recall Brooklyn being named until the recent era. Mostly, he was just presented as a skinny, sickly kid from somewhere in New York, who ends up picked for Project: Rebirth. In the late 70s, he moved into an apartment building in Brooklyn, one of whose residents was an elderly woman, Anna Kapplebaum, who was rescued from Diebenwald Concentration Camp by Captain America. That's where I first recall Brooklyn being a locale for Cap, though I haven't read every issue of Captain America, post Tales of Suspense, so I'm not sure where he was living, when he was a cop or at other points. Keep in mind that the MCU has cherry picked elements from various eras of the comics and added their own touches or their own spin. In recent years, Marvel has tweaked the comics to bring them more in line with the MCU presentation. Despite the impression a lot of people have, Marvel was never that tight on continuity, for a variety of reasons, starting with Stan's bad memory (this is the man who called Bruce Banner "Bob", at one point, because he forgot, making him now Robert Bruce Banner) and writers who ignored what happened before and the editor was too busy with other books to notice. Simon & Kirby based what little they gave of Steve's background on their own youth, living in Jewish neighborhoods in New York. Kirby grew up in Hell's Kitchen, Simon in Rochester. Later writers made it reflect more of Kirby's background, as a tribute.
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Post by Ricky Jackson on Apr 17, 2021 20:05:05 GMT -5
I seem to remember in the short-lived late 90s Sentinel of Liberty series it was brought up that Steve grew up in Brooklyn and was a Dodgers fan. Specifically a scene where Iron Man takes him to the place where Ebbets Field once stood. Anyway, this question only occurred to me because I recently read some Cap stories from 2012 and 2015, with the former having Lower East Side and the latter having Brooklyn, and I found it odd that even that late there were still contradictions
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Apr 17, 2021 23:20:50 GMT -5
After a recent purchase I have 4-5 issues of X-cutioner’s Song. I’m halfway thinking about intentionally buying the rest of the story. What’s CCF’s opinion on this X-Men crossover?
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Post by Dizzy D on Apr 18, 2021 8:00:21 GMT -5
After a recent purchase I have 4-5 issues of X-cutioner’s Song. I’m halfway thinking about intentionally buying the rest of the story. What’s CCF’s opinion on this X-Men crossover? As a big X-Men fan, I'd say it's not worth getting; the basic idea behind it is ok at best, but like many crossovers at the time it's overly long and it assumes the readers know some minor details going on in each of the X-Men titles at that moment. It's also pretty clear that Peter David had no interest at all in a large crossover interrupting his own planned stories for X-Factor.
In overall X-Men lore, nearly all of the events happening within the stories have been made irrelevant shortly afterwards*; only the Legacy virus which is unleashed at the end of the story, had some longer lasting impact on the X-Men stories for the next years.
*=Spoiler for X-Cutioner's Song: {Spoiler}The story is based on the idea that Stryfe is Cyclops' son and Cable is a clone of Stryfe. Not long afterwards it was decided instead that Cable was the son and Stryfe was the clone.
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