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Post by bashbash99 on Oct 30, 2021 8:23:45 GMT -5
Hi guys - great to see this forum is still going strong all these years after the split from CBR!
My question - Marvel recently announced a new Iron Fist run and they pointedly announced that it had an all-asian creative team - writer Alyssa Wong and artist Micheal YG. This made me wonder which writer/artist combo was the 1st all-asian creative team for a marvel comic issue. I know marvel has had numerous asian or asian-american artists going back to the great Filipino artists of the 70s if not further, but my admittedly old brain can't come up with lots of asian writers who worked at marvel back in the day. My guess would be Larry Hama may have worked with an asian artist during his time there, but maybe the experts here can come up with something more definitive. Thanks!
btw if curious the new Iron Fist title has Danny de-powered and a new character picking up the mantle (an Asian guy). My favorite Iron Fist run was the recent Brubaker/Fraction one which was all about legacy so i've no issue with the premise (and am surprised it didn't happen sooner tbh).
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Post by codystarbuck on Oct 30, 2021 11:02:53 GMT -5
Hi guys - great to see this forum is still going strong all these years after the split from CBR! My question - Marvel recently announced a new Iron Fist run and they pointedly announced that it had an all-asian creative team - writer Alyssa Wong and artist Micheal YG. This made me wonder which writer/artist combo was the 1st all-asian creative team for a marvel comic issue. I know marvel has had numerous asian or asian-american artists going back to the great Filipino artists of the 70s if not further, but my admittedly old brain can't come up with lots of asian writers who worked at marvel back in the day. My guess would be Larry Hama may have worked with an asian artist during his time there, but maybe the experts here can come up with something more definitive. Thanks! btw if curious the new Iron Fist title has Danny de-powered and a new character picking up the mantle (an Asian guy). My favorite Iron Fist run was the recent Brubaker/Fraction one which was all about legacy so i've no issue with the premise (and am surprised it didn't happen sooner tbh). I don't know a definitive answer; but, has Hama worked with either Jim Lee or Whilce Portacio? Or Jae Lee? Those would be my candidates for an Asian-American creative team, at Marvel. Irv Watanabe worked there for years, too.
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Post by arfetto on Oct 30, 2021 12:08:43 GMT -5
Hama worked with Ron Lim on Wild Thing (MC2), but there are probably earlier answers.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2021 12:23:12 GMT -5
I didn't look at any of the G.I. Joe issues Larry Hama wrote and if there was Asian-American art teams on any of them, as for non-G.I. Joe Marvel stuff... Conan the Barbarian #117 had Hama on scripts and Ernie Chan on inks, but John Buscema on pencils, so close but no cigar. That was 1980. Hama was writer/penciller on a story in Bizarre Adventures #31, but Ralph Reese inks, so again close but no cigar. That was '82. Bizarre Adventures #32 had an 8 pager, written, pencilled and inked by Hama, so all Asian-American creators, but a single story in an an anthology issue, not an issue or series. Also from '82. But Punisher War Zone #20 from October '93 was written by Hama and had art from an artist named Hoang Nguyen so that looks to be the answer, unless the name is some kind of pen name a la Cebulski did years later. -M
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Post by codystarbuck on Oct 30, 2021 12:25:22 GMT -5
I found this one:
Hama and Hoang Nguyen worked together on Punisher War Zone 20-22, back in 1993.
So far, I haven't seen anything with Hama and any of the Filipino artists together, including Tony DeZuniga.
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Post by codystarbuck on Oct 30, 2021 12:29:53 GMT -5
I didn't look at any of the G.I. Joe issues Larry Hama wrote and if there was Asian-American art teams on any of them, as for non-G.I. Joe Marvel stuff... Conan the Barbarian #117 had Hama on scripts and Ernie Chan on inks, but John Buscema on pencils, so close but no cigar. That was 1980. Hama was writer/penciller on a story in Bizarre Adventures #31, but Ralph Reese inks, so again close but no cigar. That was '82. Bizarre Adventures #32 had an 8 pager, written, pencilled and inked by Hama, so all Asian-American creators, but not a single story in an an anthology issue, not an issue or series. Also from '82. But Punisher War Zone #20 from October '93 was written by Hama and had art from an artist named Hoang Nguyen so that looks to be the answer, unless the name is some kind of pen name a la Cebulski did years later. -M Not a pen name, as you can see here...He worked for Dark Horse and Marvel and moved on to the gaming industry. Vietnamese-American
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Post by bashbash99 on Oct 30, 2021 14:47:16 GMT -5
Thanks for the quick responses, guys!! Really appreciate it. Been lurking the past month or so and have enjoyed reading many reviews and discussions. Showed up initially to read some Eternals comics reviews but one thing leads to another....
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Post by daveb on Oct 31, 2021 17:54:46 GMT -5
I've been scouring the internet to find an old Warren Magazine story featuring a woman defeating a female vampire with a cross she constructs with bobby pins. I found a similar story in an issue of Vampirella called "The Vampiress Stalks the Castle this Night", but it's not the story I remember. The story I remember had little or no narration/dialog and more detailed art than the one I found. Can anyone confirm if this actually exists or if I somehow formed a false memory. I even seem to recall seeing tee shirts with the image I'm thinking of but can't seem to find it anywhere.
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Post by codystarbuck on Oct 31, 2021 18:49:24 GMT -5
I'm reviewing a manuscript about the MCU for an academic press and at one point the author claims that "the MCU began with the idea that each installment would lead into the next, and that each film would reference events occurring in the same universe, creating a level of interconnectivity never witnessed before in the film industry." My question is: is this really true? Were there no film franchises before the MCU that worked in a similar way? Wondering if anyone has insights on this. Well, no, the Toho kaiju films existed in the same universe and there would be elements from other films that would inform their appearances in Godzilla movies. The Universal monster movies existed in the same universe and characters crossed over. There wasn't the same level of referral, nor did they seed references; but, it was a shared universe, all the same. It was probably a bit more prominent in tv, given that programs spun out of others and existed on the same networks. The Beverly Hillbillies spawned an entire Hooterville Universe, where they existed with Green Acres and Pettycoat Junction. Happy Days spawn further shows and characters crossed back and forth and stories even moved between shows. Same with the Six Million Dollar Man and Bionic Woman and stuff like Murder She Wrote and Magnum PI. The Man from UNCLE spawned The Girl From UNCLE and there were crossovers and references, including Mr Waverly appearing in both (just as Oscar Goldman appeared in both Bionic shows, even when TBW changed networks). It's easier to coordinate a shared universe under the same umbrella, which film didn't always allow. Back in the days of the studio system, though, you had some elements of that, even if it was just cameos in a studio holiday project or wartime entertainment extravaganza. Within radio, you had The Lone Ranger linked to the mythos of the Green Hornet and characters crossed over to other radio shows and there was a certain continuity, like Jack Benny and Fred Allen. The author also needs to realize that, just like the Marvel comics, they didn't start with the idea that they would all be interlinked and a whole universe would grow from it. Iron Man was launched without a guarantee that there would even be a sequel, let alone other Marvel movies, though the success of the X-Men and Spider-Man films had studios interested in marvel properties, after so many had languished in Development Hell, in the late 80s and 90s. Heck, Marvel tried using the Hulk to build a tv franchise, but it never went beyond the Hulk tv movies. Just as Marvel didn't originate the concept of a shared universe, even within the comics, they popularized it and the lazy will always assume some idea began with the popular.
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Post by codystarbuck on Oct 31, 2021 18:51:12 GMT -5
I've been scouring the internet to find an old Warren Magazine story featuring a woman defeating a female vampire with a cross she constructs with bobby pins. I found a similar story in an issue of Vampirella called "The Vampiress Stalks the Castle this Night", but it's not the story I remember. The story I remember had little or no narration/dialog and more detailed art than the one I found. Can anyone confirm if this actually exists or if I somehow formed a false memory. I even seem to recall seeing tee shirts with the image I'm thinking of but can't seem to find it anywhere. Are you certain it was Warren and not one of their competitors, like Skywald, Eerie Publications, of even one of the Marvel horror magazines?
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Post by Cei-U! on Nov 1, 2021 6:00:49 GMT -5
I've been scouring the internet to find an old Warren Magazine story featuring a woman defeating a female vampire with a cross she constructs with bobby pins. I found a similar story in an issue of Vampirella called "The Vampiress Stalks the Castle this Night", but it's not the story I remember. The story I remember had little or no narration/dialog and more detailed art than the one I found. Can anyone confirm if this actually exists or if I somehow formed a false memory. I even seem to recall seeing tee shirts with the image I'm thinking of but can't seem to find it anywhere. Are you certain it was Warren and not one of their competitors, like Skywald, Eerie Publications, of even one of the Marvel horror magazines? It's not from any of the Marvel mags. I've indexed them all and there's no such story in any of 'em.
Cei-U! I summon the process of elimination!
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Post by foxley on Nov 1, 2021 7:05:32 GMT -5
I'm reviewing a manuscript about the MCU for an academic press and at one point the author claims that "the MCU began with the idea that each installment would lead into the next, and that each film would reference events occurring in the same universe, creating a level of interconnectivity never witnessed before in the film industry." My question is: is this really true? Were there no film franchises before the MCU that worked in a similar way? Wondering if anyone has insights on this. Well, no, the Toho kaiju films existed in the same universe and there would be elements from other films that would inform their appearances in Godzilla movies. The Universal monster movies existed in the same universe and characters crossed over. There wasn't the same level of referral, nor did they seed references; but, it was a shared universe, all the same. It was probably a bit more prominent in tv, given that programs spun out of others and existed on the same networks. The Beverly Hillbillies spawned an entire Hooterville Universe, where they existed with Green Acres and Pettycoat Junction. Happy Days spawn further shows and characters crossed back and forth and stories even moved between shows. Same with the Six Million Dollar Man and Bionic Woman and stuff like Murder She Wrote and Magnum PI. The Man from UNCLE spawned The Girl From UNCLE and there were crossovers and references, including Mr Waverly appearing in both (just as Oscar Goldman appeared in both Bionic shows, even when TBW changed networks). It's easier to coordinate a shared universe under the same umbrella, which film didn't always allow. Back in the days of the studio system, though, you had some elements of that, even if it was just cameos in a studio holiday project or wartime entertainment extravaganza. Within radio, you had The Lone Ranger linked to the mythos of the Green Hornet and characters crossed over to other radio shows and there was a certain continuity, like Jack Benny and Fred Allen. The author also needs to realize that, just like the Marvel comics, they didn't start with the idea that they would all be interlinked and a whole universe would grow from it. Iron Man was launched without a guarantee that there would even be a sequel, let alone other Marvel movies, though the success of the X-Men and Spider-Man films had studios interested in marvel properties, after so many had languished in Development Hell, in the late 80s and 90s. Heck, Marvel tried using the Hulk to build a tv franchise, but it never went beyond the Hulk tv movies. Just as Marvel didn't originate the concept of a shared universe, even within the comics, they popularized it and the lazy will always assume some idea began with the popular. Even earlier than this, the Universal Horror films became this once the monsters started crossing over with each other, with several of the films picking up almost immediately were the previous film left off.
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Post by MDG on Nov 1, 2021 8:32:10 GMT -5
Well, no, the Toho kaiju films existed in the same universe and there would be elements from other films that would inform their appearances in Godzilla movies. The Universal monster movies existed in the same universe and characters crossed over. There wasn't the same level of referral, nor did they seed references; but, it was a shared universe, all the same. ..... Even earlier than this, the Universal Horror films became this once the monsters started crossing over with each other, with several of the films picking up almost immediately were the previous film left off. It might be that the writer is trying to say that the MCU was set up and planned to be continuous, interconnected stories intentionally, rather than make things up as they go along, as in the Universal monsters and plenty of other series (from the Thin Man to Charlie Chan to James Bond), and not worry too much about whether or not events contradicted each other.
However, this ignores the Salkind Superman movies where, for example, the Phantom Zone villains are introduced in the first movie, but don;t enter the "story" until the second.
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Post by Crimebuster on Nov 1, 2021 11:22:38 GMT -5
I'm reviewing a manuscript about the MCU for an academic press and at one point the author claims that "the MCU began with the idea that each installment would lead into the next, and that each film would reference events occurring in the same universe, creating a level of interconnectivity never witnessed before in the film industry." My question is: is this really true? Were there no film franchises before the MCU that worked in a similar way? Wondering if anyone has insights on this. I'm going to disagree with everyone else and say that I think the writer is correct. This may sound like semantics, but he says "creating a level of interconnectivity never witnessed before in the film industry." Yes, there were some franchises that had some interconnectivity prior to the MCU, but none close to the same " level." Avengers: Infinity War and Avengers: Endgame don't make any sense at all unless you've seen the previous 20 films. Nothing close to that had been done or attempted before. I'll also say that it did begin with this idea of interconnectedness as well. Sure, they didn't know if Iron Man would succeed. But there was a plan in place to build off it right from the start. The Avengers are set up in the Iron Man post credits scene, creating a framework for all the rest of the Phase One films to fit into. Tony Stark appears at the end of Hulk, etc.
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Post by Mister Spaceman on Nov 1, 2021 14:42:23 GMT -5
I'm reviewing a manuscript about the MCU for an academic press and at one point the author claims that "the MCU began with the idea that each installment would lead into the next, and that each film would reference events occurring in the same universe, creating a level of interconnectivity never witnessed before in the film industry." My question is: is this really true? Were there no film franchises before the MCU that worked in a similar way? Wondering if anyone has insights on this. I'm going to disagree with everyone else and say that I think the writer is correct. This may sound like semantics, but he says "creating a level of interconnectivity never witnessed before in the film industry." Yes, there were some franchises that had some interconnectivity prior to the MCU, but none close to the same " level." Avengers: Infinity War and Avengers: Endgame don't make any sense at all unless you've seen the previous 20 films. Nothing close to that had been done or attempted before. I'll also say that it did begin with this idea of interconnectedness as well. Sure, they didn't know if Iron Man would succeed. But there was a plan in place to build off it right from the start. The Avengers are set up in the Iron Man post credits scene, creating a framework for all the rest of the Phase One films to fit into. Tony Stark appears at the end of Hulk, etc. Right. He's not talking about a general shared universe. So Godzilla-verse, Universal horror-verse, etc. don't really qualify. I think he's more on about cinematic world-building. With that said, I would consider the Star Wars films an important precursor.
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