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Post by Ish Kabbible on May 2, 2016 22:11:48 GMT -5
Which of the Golden Age archives have the best stories? Starman? Sandman? Green Lantern? Spectre? Dr. Fate? Flash? Hawkman? I want to read some golden age stuff and don't know where to start. Plastic Man and Shazam. Both Quality and Fawcett put out better books than National/All-American. Couldn't agree more. I'd also throw in The Spirit for golden age greatness |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 2, 2016 22:14:52 GMT -5
Plastic Man and Shazam. Both Quality and Fawcett put out better books than National/All-American. Couldn't agree more. I'd also throw in The Spirit for golden age greatness I agree with The Spirit also. Definitely great. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 22:25:31 GMT -5
Which of the Golden Age archives have the best stories? Starman? Sandman? Green Lantern? Spectre? Dr. Fate? Flash? Hawkman? I want to read some golden age stuff and don't know where to start. Of the Dr. Fate stuff, the first 8-12 stories are great, but then it becomes generic super-hero fare that could have any character be the lead and nothing would change, and they really aren't worth a second glance. However, those first handful of stories are very, very good. I enjoyed the first volume of the Golden Age Hawkman Archives all he way through, so I would recommend that one. Not mentioned, I quite enjoyed the first year or so of Golden Age BAtman stories in Detective (i.e. the pre-Robin stories) and the first year or so of Superman stories in Action. I will also third the Spirit recommendation. Haven't read any of the others to say yay or nay. -M |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 7:43:32 GMT -5
Which of the Golden Age archives have the best stories? Starman? Sandman? Green Lantern? Spectre? Dr. Fate? Flash? Hawkman? I want to read some golden age stuff and don't know where to start. I loved the Golden Age Stuff and my (In Order) picks would be: 1) Plastic Man - Incredible Stuff 2) Doctor Fate - the 1st 24 stories were good 3) Batman - They were gems 4) Superman 5) Hawkman - Fantastic 6) Green Lantern 7) Shazam 8) Spectre |
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Post by shaxper on May 3, 2016 7:58:16 GMT -5
Which of the Golden Age archives have the best stories? Starman? Sandman? Green Lantern? Spectre? Dr. Fate? Flash? Hawkman? I want to read some golden age stuff and don't know where to start. I love the tone of the Spectre stories via Bernard Bailey's artwork, but I'd hardly consider the stories memorable. I've not read the others. |
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Post by Trevor on May 3, 2016 10:21:59 GMT -5
Some golden Plastic Man books are part of a 99 cent sale at Comixology if you want to try it out on the cheap.
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Post by Icctrombone on May 3, 2016 16:47:30 GMT -5
Another question: what's the easiest way of getting hold of Kirby's Captain Victory series? I assumed it would be collected somewhere cheap, but can't find anywhere. To my knowledge, there is no collected edition. The actually individual issues are inexpensive to find in cons. |
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Post by tolworthy on May 3, 2016 19:33:11 GMT -5
Another question: what's the easiest way of getting hold of Kirby's Captain Victory series? I assumed it would be collected somewhere cheap, but can't find anywhere. To my knowledge, there is no collected edition. The actually individual issues are inexpensive to find in cons. Thanks. Looks like I'll be collecting floppies again  I am flabbergasted that people treat Captain Victory as sub standard Kirby, as if the old man was in decline. I think there just comes a time in any great artist's life where he leaves the fans so far behind that they no longer get it. From what I've seen (i.e. every online review I can find, such as this one) Captain Victory looks superb: according to Steve Sherman it's Kirby's answer to Rendezvous with Rama, and far from being late work was in development since the mid 1970s. I love how all of Kirby's work joins up (the island of Attilan was in Captain America issue 1, New Gods follows from Thor, etc.), and even if people don't appreciate Kirby's commentary on war and mankind's future, the fact that Cap Vic essentially completes the Fourth World opus should on its own make it of interest. yet it hasn't even been reprinted. There's no accounting for taste I suppose. I have loved every scan I have seen, and I suppose it is only fitting that I should buy this in its original form. |
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on May 3, 2016 20:33:27 GMT -5
Thanks all for the suggestions!
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Post by Icctrombone on May 3, 2016 20:34:42 GMT -5
To my knowledge, there is no collected edition. The actually individual issues are inexpensive to find in cons. Thanks. Looks like I'll be collecting floppies again I am flabbergasted that people treat Captain Victory as sub standard Kirby, as if the old man was in decline. I think there just comes a time in any great artist's life where he leaves the fans so far behind that they no longer get it. From what I've seen (i.e. every online review I can find, such as this one) Captain Victory looks superb: according to Steve Sherman it's Kirby's answer to Rendezvous with Rama, and far from being late work was in development since the mid 1970s. I love how all of Kirby's work joins up (the island of Attilan was in Captain America issue 1, New Gods follows from Thor, etc.), and even if people don't appreciate Kirby's commentary on war and mankind's future, the fact that Cap Vic essentially completes the Fourth World opus should on its own make it of interest. yet it hasn't even been reprinted. There's no accounting for taste I suppose. I have loved every scan I have seen, and I suppose it is only fitting that I should buy this in its original form. I have all 13 issues and the Annual, but I have to confess that I don't remember most of it. I have to pull it put this year. |
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Post by tolworthy on May 4, 2016 0:55:31 GMT -5
I have all 13 issues and the Annual, but I have to confess that I don't remember most of it. I have to pull it put this year. You're not alone. It looks like four out of five reviewers (and probably 99 out of 100 readers) give it poor reviews. But the others point out stuff that makes me think this is the King's most misunderstood work. I just ordered the first three issues, and I guess I'll find out. |
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Post by Icctrombone on May 4, 2016 4:01:43 GMT -5
I have all 13 issues and the Annual, but I have to confess that I don't remember most of it. I have to pull it put this year. You're not alone. It looks like four out of five reviewers (and probably 99 out of 100 readers) give it poor reviews. But the others point out stuff that makes me think this is the King's most misunderstood work. I just ordered the first three issues, and I guess I'll find out. I love your support of Kirby, but even Michael Jordan missed a shot. |
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Post by tolworthy on May 4, 2016 6:34:12 GMT -5
You're not alone. It looks like four out of five reviewers (and probably 99 out of 100 readers) give it poor reviews. But the others point out stuff that makes me think this is the King's most misunderstood work. I just ordered the first three issues, and I guess I'll find out. I love your support of Kirby, but even Michael Jordan missed a shot. I agree that he definitely missed if his goal was to gain short term readership. But for his last major work he might have had a different goal. I'll soon find out. The first two issues were just dispatched and I should get them at the weekend. Oh the anticipation! |
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Post by Trevor on May 4, 2016 7:41:48 GMT -5
I love your support of Kirby, but even Michael Jordan missed a shot. I agree that he definitely missed if his goal was to gain short term readership. But for his last major work he might have had a different goal. I'll soon find out. The first two issues were just dispatched and I should get them at the weekend. Oh the anticipation! Jordan missed more than half his shots. I think all artists/writers did as well. |
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Post by tolworthy on May 4, 2016 9:14:17 GMT -5
I agree that he definitely missed if his goal was to gain short term readership. But for his last major work he might have had a different goal. I'll soon find out. The first two issues were just dispatched and I should get them at the weekend. Oh the anticipation! Jordan missed more than half his shots. I think all artists/writers did as well. And did Jordan fail to entertain when he missed a shot? Did Shakespeare miss half his shots? Did Goya? I think success or failure depends on the metric we use. In my opinion the greatest artists tend to start off as crowd pleasers, but later break new ground. The later work only makes sense in the context of the earlier stuff. Compare Tolkien's Hobbit to the Lord of the Rings, to the Silmarillion. I think that judging Captain Victory as a stand-alone comic is like judging the Silmarillion as stand-alone stories. By that metric it is almost unreadable, a series of mis-shots. But seen in the context of what went before, the Silmarillion is sublime. As far as I can tell, Kirby was trying something similar with Captain Victory. I am surprised how few reviewers of Captain Victory fail to see the significance of the references to New Gods. And how they tend to overlook Kirby's interviews, and the splash pages where he talks about "the world that's coming": I think Kirby was trying to say something big, and we miss it because we don't see past the surface. I will have more to say once I've read it in detail of course. Maybe I will have to eat humble pie, but judging by what I've seen so far, I doubt it. |
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