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Post by tingramretro on May 15, 2016 9:05:17 GMT -5
Did Darwin Cooke ever do any work for Marvel ? Yes, he worked on Spider-Man's Tangled Web, and on a few X-Men related titles, including a Wolverine/Doop limited series, as well as an Ant Man backup in Marvel Double-Shot #3. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 11:46:25 GMT -5
Did Darwin Cooke ever do any work for Marvel ? There's a reason he didn't do a lot for Marvel... The story goes, he pitched an all ages line to Marvel and had a small group of creators willing to work with him to launch it and do books. Axel Alonso took the pitch, went over it with him and then ultimately passed on it. Soon afterwards Alonso started the Marvel Adventures line, using a lot of the principles in Cooke's pitch but cutting Cooke and the creators who would work with him on it out of the loop and using a lot of less well-known creators to keep costs down. The next time Cooke saw Alonso at a bar at a con he promptly greeted him by dumping a beer over his head and telling him he was signing an exclusive deal with DC, which ended the short run of stuff he had been doing at Marvel. -M |
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Post by Trevor on May 15, 2016 13:07:03 GMT -5
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Post by Icctrombone on May 15, 2016 13:16:14 GMT -5
Did Darwin Cooke ever do any work for Marvel ? There's a reason he didn't do a lot for Marvel... The story goes, he pitched an all ages line to Marvel and had a small group of creators willing to work with him to launch it and do books. Axel Alonso took the pitch, went over it with him and then ultimately passed on it. Soon afterwards Alonso started the Marvel Adventures line, using a lot of the principles in Cooke's pitch but cutting Cooke and the creators who would work with him on it out of the loop and using a lot of less well-known creators to keep costs down. The next time Cooke saw Alonso at a bar at a con he promptly greeted him by dumping a beer over his head and telling him he was signing an exclusive deal with DC, which ended the short run of stuff he had been doing at Marvel. -M Wow. Just, wow. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 13:29:13 GMT -5
Way to Go Cooke! ... Axel Alonso you got what you've deserved!
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Post by Nowhere Man on May 15, 2016 13:49:59 GMT -5
Did Darwin Cooke ever do any work for Marvel ? There's a reason he didn't do a lot for Marvel... The story goes, he pitched an all ages line to Marvel and had a small group of creators willing to work with him to launch it and do books. Axel Alonso took the pitch, went over it with him and then ultimately passed on it. Soon afterwards Alonso started the Marvel Adventures line, using a lot of the principles in Cooke's pitch but cutting Cooke and the creators who would work with him on it out of the loop and using a lot of less well-known creators to keep costs down. The next time Cooke saw Alonso at a bar at a con he promptly greeted him by dumping a beer over his head and telling him he was signing an exclusive deal with DC, which ended the short run of stuff he had been doing at Marvel. -M Not saying that Cooke should have done that, but Alonso has always rubbed me the wrong way. I disagreed with just about everything Quesada ever said, but he never seemed as smug or as duplicitous as Alonzo often seems to me. |
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Post by hondobrode on May 15, 2016 19:14:25 GMT -5
Gotta disagree with you there.
I don't think Axel is nearly as bad as Joe or Breevort.
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Post by hondobrode on May 15, 2016 19:24:41 GMT -5
Gotta disagree with you there.
I don't think Axel is nearly as bad as Joe or Breevort.
Marvel doesn't have everything on Comixology, cause I've gone through their entire inventory twice when they just had 50 % anything or BOGO, but there's quite a bit there.
As far as the whole digitizing and scanning cost, except for cleaning up older stuff, I think the cost is minimal.
A publisher submitting their work doesn't pay anything up front, but splits the net proceeds. The reason why I don't think it's much is because there are itty bitty self-publishers I've never heard of with miniscule print runs, but they have stuff digitized by Comixology.
The cleaning up part could cost a little, but that's usually older stuff and the publishers have a pretty high profit margin with most of the other costs already accounted for.
Yeah, I too would love Captain Victory, and some other gems, available digitally.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 19:38:19 GMT -5
Gotta disagree with you there. I don't think Axel is nearly as bad as Joe or Breevort. Marvel doesn't have everything on Comixology, cause I've gone through their entire inventory twice when they just had 50 % anything or BOGO, but there's quite a bit there. As far as the whole digitizing and scanning cost, except for cleaning up older stuff, I think the cost is minimal. A publisher submitting their work doesn't pay anything up front, but splits the net proceeds. The reason why I don't think it's much is because there are itty bitty self-publishers I've never heard of with miniscule print runs, but they have stuff digitized by Comixology. The cleaning up part could cost a little, but that's usually older stuff and the publishers have a pretty high profit margin with most of the other costs already accounted for. Yeah, I too would love Captain Victory, and some other gems, available digitally. Most modern comic art is created digitally so it doesn't nee to be digitized, especially small publishers who can control costs not paying for art boards and supplies and only need to pay for the art program. So there is no cost to digitize for them because the art, lettering etc. are created as digital files not physical pieces of art that need to be digitized. If they didn't it would be cost prohibitive to digitize files. Finding a flatbed scanner large enough to accommodate a page of artboard is an expensive proposition. When I Was with the studio, the art director sprung for a used scanner that size and it still ran him close to a grand. Cleaning up physical art that has been scanned in to make it print ready can be a time consuming process depending on the condition of the physical art. Those small publishers don't have things digitized by Comixology, they provide digital files to Comixology. Same with Marvel. IF the art was created digitally, or the artist sent the art to Marvel as a digital file because he/she scanned it in his studio and sent it along to them via e-mail or file transfer, there is no digitization required. If a book like Captain Victory is to be made available digitally, either they need to have the original artboards and scan them in themselves (which would then require it all be recolored because the art is b&w and possibly re-lettered if the lettering was done on copies of the artboard and not pasted on the artboard itself. If the original art is not available, then a copy of the comic has to be scanned in at very high resolutions. Any imperfections in the physical copy has to be cleaned up before it is print ready. Because of the smaller size, there is a chance it would have to be relettered and since it is on newsprint,t he colors may not transfer well so you have to strip down the art of its color to get it back to b&w and then recolor it. Once that is done someone has to format the files to be usable/reader by the various reading platforms out there-Comixology, Kindle, etc. etc. It is not as simple a process or as cheap a process as people think for older comics that don't already exist as digital files. -M |
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Post by Icctrombone on May 15, 2016 19:55:48 GMT -5
Gotta disagree with you there. I don't think Axel is nearly as bad as Joe or Breevort. Marvel doesn't have everything on Comixology, cause I've gone through their entire inventory twice when they just had 50 % anything or BOGO, but there's quite a bit there. As far as the whole digitizing and scanning cost, except for cleaning up older stuff, I think the cost is minimal. A publisher submitting their work doesn't pay anything up front, but splits the net proceeds. The reason why I don't think it's much is because there are itty bitty self-publishers I've never heard of with miniscule print runs, but they have stuff digitized by Comixology. The cleaning up part could cost a little, but that's usually older stuff and the publishers have a pretty high profit margin with most of the other costs already accounted for. Yeah, I too would love Captain Victory, and some other gems, available digitally. Most modern comic art is created digitally so it doesn't nee to be digitized, especially small publishers who can control costs not paying for art boards and supplies and only need to pay for the art program. So there is no cost to digitize for them because the art, lettering etc. are created as digital files not physical pieces of art that need to be digitized. If they didn't it would be cost prohibitive to digitize files. Finding a flatbed scanner large enough to accommodate a page of artboard is an expensive proposition. When I Was with the studio, the art director sprung for a used scanner that size and it still ran him close to a grand. Cleaning up physical art that has been scanned in to make it print ready can be a time consuming process depending on the condition of the physical art. Those small publishers don't have things digitized by Comixology, they provide digital files to Comixology. Same with Marvel. IF the art was created digitally, or the artist sent the art to Marvel as a digital file because he/she scanned it in his studio and sent it along to them via e-mail or file transfer, there is no digitization required. If a book like Captain Victory is to be made available digitally, either they need to have the original artboards and scan them in themselves (which would then require it all be recolored because the art is b&w and possibly re-lettered if the lettering was done on copies of the artboard and not pasted on the artboard itself. If the original art is not available, then a copy of the comic has to be scanned in at very high resolutions. Any imperfections in the physical copy has to be cleaned up before it is print ready. Because of the smaller size, there is a chance it would have to be relettered and since it is on newsprint,t he colors may not transfer well so you have to strip down the art of its color to get it back to b&w and then recolor it. Once that is done someone has to format the files to be usable/reader by the various reading platforms out there-Comixology, Kindle, etc. etc. It is not as simple a process or as cheap a process as people think for older comics that don't already exist as digital files. -M This is what I wanted to know. Seems like a lot of work for Captain Victory to be made available. It was in color but It might have to be recolored. All the MU stuff has vibrant colors. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 20:08:55 GMT -5
Now as technology advances and prices come down on equipment and software, it may become more cost effective for this process, especially for smaller publishers. And for Kirby stuff, you never know if someone (say the Kirby Museum) might subsidize or apply for grants to subsidize the process, so you never know, but it is not as easy as oh just scan it ans sell it like a lot of people seem to think.
-M
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on May 15, 2016 20:46:10 GMT -5
Did any of the Spider-Man Weekly UK comics (and any of its name changing iterations) contain material that was not released in the US?
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Post by Nowhere Man on May 16, 2016 9:27:53 GMT -5
Gotta disagree with you there. I don't think Axel is nearly as bad as Joe or Breevort. Actually, I think you're right. Axel strikes me as being more sneaky than smug. This seems to have been showcased in the Darwyn Cooke situation. |
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Post by Trevor on May 16, 2016 9:52:22 GMT -5
Did any of the Spider-Man Weekly UK comics (and any of its name changing iterations) contain material that was not released in the US? I'd be interested in the same question on all the Marvel UK books. And I really hope the answer is: no new content, even the covers and indica are reprints. |
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Post by tingramretro on May 16, 2016 9:58:23 GMT -5
Did any of the Spider-Man Weekly UK comics (and any of its name changing iterations) contain material that was not released in the US? Yes, they did. Issues #231-247 contained Captain Britain strips created in the US but specifically for the UK market, while issues #607-610 contained a wholly UK originated Spider-Man story by Mike Collins, Barry Kitson and Mark Farmer. The Captain Britain material has since been made availabe in the US in a hardcover reprint volume, but the Spider-Man material has never yet been reprinted anywhere as far as I know. |
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