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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 14:30:53 GMT -5
Thanks for that article in Vanity Fair - I bookmarked for later reading and I was fascinated by it.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jun 24, 2016 9:06:27 GMT -5
Good god Star Trek V was terrible. But man I didn't remember anything about it, until like the last 20 minutes then I remembered. Oh man I gotta remember not to sit through that again.
I remember not liking Generations, but it's the only original cast movie left to watch. And I don't remember liking Nemesis, but I may watch it too before it gone off Netflix.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 24, 2016 10:36:29 GMT -5
Good god Star Trek V was terrible. But man I didn't remember anything about it, until like the last 20 minutes then I remembered. Oh man I gotta remember not to sit through that again. I remember not liking Generations, but it's the only original cast movie left to watch. And I don't remember liking Nemesis, but I may watch it too before it gone off Netflix. STV and Nemesis share the dubious honour of being the bottom of the barrel. Generations is a curious bird. I like some aspects of it : the characters certainly are treated like people, not just place holders in an action story. The crash scene is masterfully done, too (and deserved to be seen twice!) Other aspects are however so bad that they undermine the whole film; the plot itself hangs on things that make no sense. Even the speed of light seems to have been altered in this film!!! Bad Trek continuity is also always a downer. The Federation hadn't even heard of the Borg before the TNG episode "Q-Who". The Enteprise's warp core ejection system isn't even mentioned in a crucial moment. The El-Aurians suddenly turn out to be a near-extinct species with no particularly impressive abilities, certainly not justifying the reaction Q had to Guinan in the TNG series. But despite its faults, I prefer Generations to Nemesis. Boy, was that a turkey.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jun 24, 2016 11:20:37 GMT -5
Good god Star Trek V was terrible. But man I didn't remember anything about it, until like the last 20 minutes then I remembered. Oh man I gotta remember not to sit through that again. I remember not liking Generations, but it's the only original cast movie left to watch. And I don't remember liking Nemesis, but I may watch it too before it gone off Netflix. STV and Nemesis share the dubious honour of being the bottom of the barrel. Generations is a curious bird. I like some aspects of it : the characters certainly are treated like people, not just place holders in an action story. The crash scene is masterfully done, too (and deserved to be seen twice!) Other aspects are however so bad that they undermine the whole film; the plot itself hangs on things that make no sense. Even the speed of light seems to have been altered in this film!!! Bad Trek continuity is also always a downer. The Federation hadn't even heard of the Borg before the TNG episode "Q-Who". The Enteprise's warp core ejection system isn't even mentioned in a crucial moment. The El-Aurians suddenly turn out to be a near-extinct species with no particularly impressive abilities, certainly not justifying the reaction Q had to Guinan in the TNG series. But despite its faults, I prefer Generations to Nemesis. Boy, was that a turkey. I remember hardly anything of Generations other than the two show's cast being in it. So most of it, unless I see something that refreshes my memory, will probably be all relativly new to me. STII and STIII are always the two I remember watching a lot as they were family favorites. Most of my father's side are either Trekies or at least science fiction fans. So the original show and the movies that came out when I was you younger seem to have stuck with me more. STV, STVI and Generations I remember very little about, as I think they were ones I maybe only watched once. As far as continuity, TNG was a show my folks watched as they aired on TV, and I did watch some. But video games also came into my life at and around that time so I think, that prevented me from grasping the series as a whole because I was distracted by other things. First Contact is about the only thing I rewatch of TNG cast. And a bit off subject, but my latest viewing of it a few nights ago, I forgot how insufferable Troy's character is. Lol. So in that, I probably won't be distracted by continuity stuff in watching Generations again. However, with your added comments I may just skip Nemesis since it apparently is as bad as I remember. I was wanting to watch the later movies again, just for these reasons. I remember vividly most of the first four films, and like them all to some varying degree. The later ones didn't stick with me, and STVI, seemed in this latest viewing still good, but mostly resting on the shoulders of David Warner's and Christoper Plummer's characters. Though James Doohan is gold in every movie so far. I like that his character despite the length of the show and the movies always seemed right. Whereas some of the other cast's characters seemed too out of place and a touch caricatures of a time they were no longer in. I guess that's why I can watch any episode of the show and be entertained, but the movies in my opinion haven't aged as well. So still needing to watch Generations, I still have a good feeling, my opinion will not change that STIV is still the best original cast ST movie. Whereas First Contact, is just my favorite ST movie period.
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Post by DE Sinclair on Jun 24, 2016 11:33:26 GMT -5
Good god Star Trek V was terrible. But man I didn't remember anything about it, until like the last 20 minutes then I remembered. Oh man I gotta remember not to sit through that again. I remember not liking Generations, but it's the only original cast movie left to watch. And I don't remember liking Nemesis, but I may watch it too before it gone off Netflix. The general rule with the original Star Trek movies is the odd numbered ones suck, the even numbered ones are good. Lightning reviews: Star Trek: The Motion Picture: "Oooh, let's watch stuff on viewscreens!" II: The Wrath of Khan: Possibly the best of them all. "Khaaaaan!" III: The Search for Spock: Spock gets resurrected, goes through puberty, and nails Saavik. IV: The Voyage Home: Spock gets his groove back, he and Kirk learn to swear, and they all save the whales. Probably 2nd best movie. V: The Final Frontier: Mind-controlling psycho-babble where everyone betrays Kirk. As you noted, terrible. VI: The Undiscovered Country: Kirk does the "Nixon goes to China" bit with Klingons, and of course it all goes wrong. Still pretty good. Generations then hands off to the Next Gen. It was ok, the Nexus/Heaven was kind of silly, and Kirk should have stayed away from the doughnuts in retirement. First Contact: Good and creepy. Enterprise & Borg go back in time. Picard goes off the rails and kills everything in sight. Borg queen gets hots for Data. Riker & Troi have to deal with a drunken Cochrum before his first warp flight. Insurrection: Federation allies with genocidal jerks for the celestial fountain of youth. Data goes nuts, makes a friend, most of the bridge crew get younger, Picard gets lucky, Worf gets zits, and women get firmer boobs. Riker has a cool space dog-fight between the Enterprise and the jerk ships. Nemesis: They kill Data. Then replace him with his developmentally challenged brother android. The bad guy has daddy issues with Picard. Worst of the Next Gen. Killed the franchise. Until... Star Trek (no subtitle): Time paradoxes rear their ugly head. Two Spocks for the price of one. Waited the whole movie for the usual moment when all the time travel changes get put back. When I realized the timeline was going to stay changed, I thought it was brilliant. Keeps the fans of the original series/movies from complaining when things don't happen the same way (you know they would have). Good start. Star Trek: Into Darkness: Khan rebooted. Has magic blood that brings people back to life. Really? Still Spock, Uhuru, and Khan have a cool fight on top of flying ship. Christopher Pike takes the dirt nap (before they discover magic blood). Beyond? Remains to be seen. Literally.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jun 24, 2016 11:51:20 GMT -5
Good god Star Trek V was terrible. But man I didn't remember anything about it, until like the last 20 minutes then I remembered. Oh man I gotta remember not to sit through that again. I remember not liking Generations, but it's the only original cast movie left to watch. And I don't remember liking Nemesis, but I may watch it too before it gone off Netflix. The general rule with the original Star Trek movies is the odd numbered ones suck, the even numbered ones are good. Lightning reviews: Star Trek: The Motion Picture: "Oooh, let's watch stuff on viewscreens!" II: The Wrath of Khan: Possibly the best of them all. "Khaaaaan!" III: The Search for Spock: Spock gets resurrected, goes through puberty, and nails Saavik. IV: The Voyage Home: Spock gets his groove back, he and Kirk learn to swear, and they all save the whales. Probably 2nd best movie. V: The Final Frontier: Mind-controlling psycho-babble where everyone betrays Kirk. As you noted, terrible. VI: The Undiscovered Country: Kirk does the "Nixon goes to China" bit with Klingons, and of course it all goes wrong. Still pretty good. Generations then hands off to the Next Gen. It was ok, the Nexus/Heaven was kind of silly, and Kirk should have stayed away from the doughnuts in retirement. First Contact: Good and creepy. Enterprise & Borg go back in time. Picard goes off the rails and kills everything in sight. Borg queen gets hots for Data. Riker & Troi have to deal with a drunken Cochrum before his first warp flight. Insurrection: Federation allies with genocidal jerks for the celestial fountain of youth. Data goes nuts, makes a friend, most of the bridge crew get younger, Picard gets lucky, Worf gets zits, and women get firmer boobs. Riker has a cool space dog-fight between the Enterprise and the jerk ships. Nemesis: They kill Data. Then replace him with his developmentally challenged brother android. The bad guy has daddy issues with Picard. Worst of the Next Gen. Killed the franchise. Until...Star Trek (no subtitle): Time paradoxes rear their ugly head. Two Spocks for the price of one. Waited the whole movie for the usual moment when all the time travel changes get put back. When I realized the timeline was going to stay changed, I thought it was brilliant. Keeps the fans of the original series/movies from complaining when things don't happen the same way (you know they would have). Good start. Star Trek: Into Darkness: Khan rebooted. Has magic blood that brings people back to life. Really? Still Spock, Uhuru, and Khan have a cool fight on top of flying ship. Christopher Pike takes the dirt nap (before they discover magic blood). Beyond? Remains to be seen. Literally. Ahhh. Insurrection is what I am remembering, thinking it was Nemesis. The synopsis of Nemesis doesn't ring a bell. I know I've seen them all, except the reboot movies, but I was mixing the two movies up. Was the "challenged android brother", Lorn, was it from TNG show?
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 24, 2016 12:16:00 GMT -5
The general rule with the original Star Trek movies is the odd numbered ones suck, the even numbered ones are good. I remember that rule of thumb, but I'm not convinced that it's an either/or proposition... Star Trek: The Motion Picture: "Oooh, let's watch stuff on viewscreens!"An apt description, but it's also the most adult of all the Trek movies. It feels like it's trying to be 2001 with a little action. The opening shot with the Klingon cruisers and the first time we hear the Klingon theme is my favorite moment in all the Trek movies. (Which in hindsight kind of sucks for all the directors and writers... It's bad when the best moments of a franchise are its first five minutes!!!) II: The Wrath of Khan: Possibly the best of them all. "Khaaaaan!"Oh yeah, that was brilliant. A little low on the philosophical side but a great space adventure, with the excellent idea of allowing our heroes to age gracefully and to shepherd in a new generation of characters. It had that bittersweet feeling we get when pondering the great days of our youth, with the excitement of realizing we can still play the game like pros, and with the happiness of knowing the future is full of promises. III: The Search for Spock: Spock gets resurrected, goes through puberty, and nails Saavik.Oh, I think she just mind-melded him out of his Pon Farr (which can't have lasted that long, since hhis metabolism was changing so fast. The novelization by Vonda McIntyre was brilliant, fully as enjoyable as The Wrath of Khan, but the movie disappointed. It was relentlessly depressing! I don't want David to die, I want him to go on adventures with Saavik (whom he definitely had sex with). I don't want the Enterprise to be crippled by a stupid tiny Bird of prey! I want it to kick ass! Oh, well. At least we got Spock back. IV: The Voyage Home: Spock gets his groove back, he and Kirk learn to swear, and they all save the whales. Probably 2nd best movie.Agreed. The humour and drama was well balanced. I just disliked the status quo being reinstated at the end, as if the intervening twenty-five years had never happened. V: The Final Frontier: Mind-controlling psycho-babble where everyone betrays Kirk. As you noted, terrible.Too much comedy bordering on self-parody, bad Trek continuity (the great barrier is AROUND the galaxy, not at its center, Spock's brother comes out of the blue and is a joking Vulcan to boot), bad astronomy (there was a Klingon ship cooling its heels deep in federation space, right next to the solar system? REALLY?) and special effect worthy of "the starlost". VI: The Undiscovered Country: Kirk does the "Nixon goes to China" bit with Klingons, and of course it all goes wrong. Still pretty good.For a long time one of my favourites. Pity the Klingons were toned down. Generations then hands off to the Next Gen. It was ok, the Nexus/Heaven was kind of silly, and Kirk should have stayed away from the doughnuts in retirement.Too right! Picard should also have picked a better destination for his little time travel : instead of returning to just before the launch of the probe, he shjould have gone back to when he first met Soren and placed him under arrest. First Contact: Good and creepy. Enterprise & Borg go back in time. Picard goes off the rails and kills everything in sight. Borg queen gets hots for Data. Riker & Troi have to deal with a drunken Cochrum before his first warp flight.Good action movie, but those space zombies Borgs weren't the real deal. I much preferred the detached honey badger types from the series, with no leader and no ambition. Insurrection: Federation allies with genocidal jerks for the celestial fountain of youth. Data goes nuts, makes a friend, most of the bridge crew get younger, Picard gets lucky, Worf gets zits, and women get firmer boobs. Riker has a cool space dog-fight between the Enterprise and the jerk ships.Just like STIII, the script was much better than the disappointing film. Also, since when does the Enterprise run out of photon torpedoes? For crying out loud, who's in charge of the inventory? Nemesis: They kill Data. Then replace him with his developmentally challenged brother android. The bad guy has daddy issues with Picard. Worst of the Next Gen. Killed the franchise.
And an ugly, ugly death it was. Star Trek (no subtitle): Time paradoxes rear their ugly head. Two Spocks for the price of one. Waited the whole movie for the usual moment when all the time travel changes get put back. When I realized the timeline was going to stay changed, I thought it was brilliant. Keeps the fans of the original series/movies from complaining when things don't happen the same way (you know they would have). Good start.Agreed. Didn't care for the plump redesign of the Enterprise, but other than that a cool reboot. Star Trek: Into Darkness: Khan rebooted. Has magic blood that brings people back to life. Really? Still Spock, Uhuru, and Khan have a cool fight on top of flying ship. Christopher Pike takes the dirt nap (before they discover magic blood).Nice effects and at least one "sweeeeeeet!" moment, but more plot holes than were dug in the frame of the Enteprise during its space battle. Thanks to the magic blood, we can expect no one to ever die again in the Trek universe. We also don't need spaceships, since Khan's teleportation gizmo can carry someone from Earth to the Klingon homeworld instantaneously. Beyond? Remains to be seen. Literally.Indeed; but the preview showing the Enterprise being shot to pieces YET AGAIN have me worried.
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Post by DE Sinclair on Jun 24, 2016 16:35:14 GMT -5
The general rule with the original Star Trek movies is the odd numbered ones suck, the even numbered ones are good. Lightning reviews: Star Trek: The Motion Picture: "Oooh, let's watch stuff on viewscreens!" II: The Wrath of Khan: Possibly the best of them all. "Khaaaaan!" III: The Search for Spock: Spock gets resurrected, goes through puberty, and nails Saavik. IV: The Voyage Home: Spock gets his groove back, he and Kirk learn to swear, and they all save the whales. Probably 2nd best movie. V: The Final Frontier: Mind-controlling psycho-babble where everyone betrays Kirk. As you noted, terrible. VI: The Undiscovered Country: Kirk does the "Nixon goes to China" bit with Klingons, and of course it all goes wrong. Still pretty good. Generations then hands off to the Next Gen. It was ok, the Nexus/Heaven was kind of silly, and Kirk should have stayed away from the doughnuts in retirement. First Contact: Good and creepy. Enterprise & Borg go back in time. Picard goes off the rails and kills everything in sight. Borg queen gets hots for Data. Riker & Troi have to deal with a drunken Cochrum before his first warp flight. Insurrection: Federation allies with genocidal jerks for the celestial fountain of youth. Data goes nuts, makes a friend, most of the bridge crew get younger, Picard gets lucky, Worf gets zits, and women get firmer boobs. Riker has a cool space dog-fight between the Enterprise and the jerk ships. Nemesis: They kill Data. Then replace him with his developmentally challenged brother android. The bad guy has daddy issues with Picard. Worst of the Next Gen. Killed the franchise. Until...Star Trek (no subtitle): Time paradoxes rear their ugly head. Two Spocks for the price of one. Waited the whole movie for the usual moment when all the time travel changes get put back. When I realized the timeline was going to stay changed, I thought it was brilliant. Keeps the fans of the original series/movies from complaining when things don't happen the same way (you know they would have). Good start. Star Trek: Into Darkness: Khan rebooted. Has magic blood that brings people back to life. Really? Still Spock, Uhuru, and Khan have a cool fight on top of flying ship. Christopher Pike takes the dirt nap (before they discover magic blood). Beyond? Remains to be seen. Literally. Ahhh. Insurrection is what I am remembering, thinking it was Nemesis. The synopsis of Nemesis doesn't ring a bell. I know I've seen them all, except the reboot movies, but I was mixing the two movies up. Was the "challenged android brother", Lorn, was it from TNG show? No, it wasn't the evil brother Lore. It was a previously unknown android prototype they found disassembled on Data's home planet. They put it together and discovered that he was called B4 (as in "before") since he was the model before Data & Lore and not as sophisticated. And dumb as a box of rocks.
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Post by DE Sinclair on Jun 24, 2016 16:43:23 GMT -5
The general rule with the original Star Trek movies is the odd numbered ones suck, the even numbered ones are good. I remember that rule of thumb, but I'm not convinced that it's an either/or proposition... Star Trek: The Motion Picture: "Oooh, let's watch stuff on viewscreens!"An apt description, but it's also the most adult of all the Trek movies. It feels like it's trying to be 2001 with a little action. The opening shot with the Klingon cruisers and the first time we hear the Klingon theme is my favorite moment in all the Trek movies. (Which in hindsight kind of sucks for all the directors and writers... It's bad when the best moments of a franchise are its first five minutes!!!) II: The Wrath of Khan: Possibly the best of them all. "Khaaaaan!"Oh yeah, that was brilliant. A little low on the philosophical side but a great space adventure, with the excellent idea of allowing our heroes to age gracefully and to shepherd in a new generation of characters. It had that bittersweet feeling we get when pondering the great days of our youth, with the excitement of realizing we can still play the game like pros, and with the happiness of knowing the future is full of promises. III: The Search for Spock: Spock gets resurrected, goes through puberty, and nails Saavik.Oh, I think she just mind-melded him out of his Pon Farr (which can't have lasted that long, since hhis metabolism was changing so fast. The novelization by Vonda McIntyre was brilliant, fully as enjoyable as The Wrath of Khan, but the movie disappointed. It was relentlessly depressing! I don't want David to die, I want him to go on adventures with Saavik (whom he definitely had sex with). I don't want the Enterprise to be crippled by a stupid tiny Bird of prey! I want it to kick ass! Oh, well. At least we got Spock back. IV: The Voyage Home: Spock gets his groove back, he and Kirk learn to swear, and they all save the whales. Probably 2nd best movie.Agreed. The humour and drama was well balanced. I just disliked the status quo being reinstated at the end, as if the intervening twenty-five years had never happened. V: The Final Frontier: Mind-controlling psycho-babble where everyone betrays Kirk. As you noted, terrible.Too much comedy bordering on self-parody, bad Trek continuity (the great barrier is AROUND the galaxy, not at its center, Spock's brother comes out of the blue and is a joking Vulcan to boot), bad astronomy (there was a Klingon ship cooling its heels deep in federation space, right next to the solar system? REALLY?) and special effect worthy of "the starlost". VI: The Undiscovered Country: Kirk does the "Nixon goes to China" bit with Klingons, and of course it all goes wrong. Still pretty good.For a long time one of my favourites. Pity the Klingons were toned down. Generations then hands off to the Next Gen. It was ok, the Nexus/Heaven was kind of silly, and Kirk should have stayed away from the doughnuts in retirement.Too right! Picard should also have picked a better destination for his little time travel : instead of returning to just before the launch of the probe, he shjould have gone back to when he first met Soren and placed him under arrest. First Contact: Good and creepy. Enterprise & Borg go back in time. Picard goes off the rails and kills everything in sight. Borg queen gets hots for Data. Riker & Troi have to deal with a drunken Cochrum before his first warp flight.Good action movie, but those space zombies Borgs weren't the real deal. I much preferred the detached honey badger types from the series, with no leader and no ambition. Insurrection: Federation allies with genocidal jerks for the celestial fountain of youth. Data goes nuts, makes a friend, most of the bridge crew get younger, Picard gets lucky, Worf gets zits, and women get firmer boobs. Riker has a cool space dog-fight between the Enterprise and the jerk ships.Just like STIII, the script was much better than the disappointing film. Also, since when does the Enterprise run out of photon torpedoes? For crying out loud, who's in charge of the inventory? Nemesis: They kill Data. Then replace him with his developmentally challenged brother android. The bad guy has daddy issues with Picard. Worst of the Next Gen. Killed the franchise.
And an ugly, ugly death it was. Star Trek (no subtitle): Time paradoxes rear their ugly head. Two Spocks for the price of one. Waited the whole movie for the usual moment when all the time travel changes get put back. When I realized the timeline was going to stay changed, I thought it was brilliant. Keeps the fans of the original series/movies from complaining when things don't happen the same way (you know they would have). Good start.Agreed. Didn't care for the plump redesign of the Enterprise, but other than that a cool reboot. Star Trek: Into Darkness: Khan rebooted. Has magic blood that brings people back to life. Really? Still Spock, Uhuru, and Khan have a cool fight on top of flying ship. Christopher Pike takes the dirt nap (before they discover magic blood).Nice effects and at least one "sweeeeeeet!" moment, but more plot holes than were dug in the frame of the Enteprise during its space battle. Thanks to the magic blood, we can expect no one to ever die again in the Trek universe. We also don't need spaceships, since Khan's teleportation gizmo can carry someone from Earth to the Klingon homeworld instantaneously. Beyond? Remains to be seen. Literally.Indeed; but the preview showing the Enterprise being shot to pieces YET AGAIN have me worried. Agreed on basically all points, but one. I haven't seen Search For Spock for a while, because it's just not really that good, but I distinctly remember when Spock was Pon Farring, they showed Saavik kind of turning away from the camera a bit and starting to pull at her uniform. Seemed pretty clear to me that they were going for Spock having nailed her to get over the Pon Farr. But I may be interpreting it differently from others. As for not lasting that long, well, that's what she said.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 24, 2016 16:49:55 GMT -5
Agreed on basically all points, but one. I haven't seen Search For Spock for a while, because it's just not really that good, but I distinctly remember when Spock was Pon Farring, they showed Saavik kind of turning away from the camera a bit and starting to pull at her uniform. Seemed pretty clear to me that they were going for Spock having nailed her to get over the Pon Farr. But I may be interpreting it differently from others. I remember that people were discussing it way back when the movies were still coming out, and that Saavik's remaining on Vulcan during ST IV was postulated to be due to her being pregnant. Mind you, I think that in some versions of the Trek extended universe, Spock and Saavik ended up married. (Ugh. That's like marrying your father). Harh!!!
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Post by dupersuper on Jun 24, 2016 20:20:35 GMT -5
Good god Star Trek V was terrible. But man I didn't remember anything about it, until like the last 20 minutes then I remembered. Oh man I gotta remember not to sit through that again. I remember not liking Generations, but it's the only original cast movie left to watch. And I don't remember liking Nemesis, but I may watch it too before it gone off Netflix. The general rule with the original Star Trek movies is the odd numbered ones suck, the even numbered ones are good. Lightning reviews: Star Trek: The Motion Picture: "Oooh, let's watch stuff on viewscreens!" II: The Wrath of Khan: Possibly the best of them all. "Khaaaaan!" III: The Search for Spock: Spock gets resurrected, goes through puberty, and nails Saavik. IV: The Voyage Home: Spock gets his groove back, he and Kirk learn to swear, and they all save the whales. Probably 2nd best movie. V: The Final Frontier: Mind-controlling psycho-babble where everyone betrays Kirk. As you noted, terrible. VI: The Undiscovered Country: Kirk does the "Nixon goes to China" bit with Klingons, and of course it all goes wrong. Still pretty good. Generations then hands off to the Next Gen. It was ok, the Nexus/Heaven was kind of silly, and Kirk should have stayed away from the doughnuts in retirement. First Contact: Good and creepy. Enterprise & Borg go back in time. Picard goes off the rails and kills everything in sight. Borg queen gets hots for Data. Riker & Troi have to deal with a drunken Cochrum before his first warp flight. Insurrection: Federation allies with genocidal jerks for the celestial fountain of youth. Data goes nuts, makes a friend, most of the bridge crew get younger, Picard gets lucky, Worf gets zits, and women get firmer boobs. Riker has a cool space dog-fight between the Enterprise and the jerk ships. Nemesis: They kill Data. Then replace him with his developmentally challenged brother android. The bad guy has daddy issues with Picard. Worst of the Next Gen. Killed the franchise. Until... Star Trek (no subtitle): Time paradoxes rear their ugly head. Two Spocks for the price of one. Waited the whole movie for the usual moment when all the time travel changes get put back. When I realized the timeline was going to stay changed, I thought it was brilliant. Keeps the fans of the original series/movies from complaining when things don't happen the same way (you know they would have). Good start. Star Trek: Into Darkness: Khan rebooted. Has magic blood that brings people back to life. Really? Still Spock, Uhuru, and Khan have a cool fight on top of flying ship. Christopher Pike takes the dirt nap (before they discover magic blood). Beyond? Remains to be seen. Literally. I'll watch V all day rather than sit through Nemesis again. Give me "I need my pain!" over that lifeless, depressing thing any time...
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Post by dupersuper on Jun 24, 2016 20:23:00 GMT -5
The general rule with the original Star Trek movies is the odd numbered ones suck, the even numbered ones are good. III: The Search for Spock: Spock gets resurrected, goes through puberty, and nails Saavik.Oh, I think she just mind-melded him out of his Pon farr No, you bang some one out of pon farr, not meld them out. The whole finger thing they do is a Vulcan couple thing (Sarek does it with Amanda and Perrin).
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Post by dupersuper on Jun 24, 2016 20:30:54 GMT -5
Well, the planet was a joint venture between the Federation, the Romulan Empire and the Klingon Empire, so it's presumably in the Neutral Zone...
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 24, 2016 20:49:23 GMT -5
Well, the planet was a joint venture between the Federation, the Romulan Empire and the Klingon Empire, so it's presumably in the Neutral Zone... True, but I was thinking of the Klingon ship blowing up Pioneer 10. By the XXIII century, that probe will not have reached even the closest star.
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