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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jun 29, 2015 10:10:36 GMT -5
Lol. I often refer to dkr as a really good looking, cool, entertaining bad movie. It's a complete mess. Especially when compared to such solid prior installments. People really hate hearing any criticism of the holy Nolan trilogy though. O, dear. Now you've done it. The Nolan cult will not be pleased. I suspect you will soon be assigned to the Re-education program.
Submit! Assimilate! Comply!
ALL HAIL DEAR LEADER!
Them and Whedon fans don't take kindly to criticism. But Nolan's not what ruined either of those two movies (I have no interest in the third) to the degree that they are unwatchable. That's all squarely on Bale. :-)
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 29, 2015 11:40:33 GMT -5
O, dear. Now you've done it. The Nolan cult will not be pleased. I suspect you will soon be assigned to the Re-education program.
Submit! Assimilate! Comply!
ALL HAIL DEAR LEADER!
Them and Whedon fans don't take kindly to criticism. But Nolan's not what ruined either of those two movies (I have no interest in the third) to the degree that they are unwatchable. That's all squarely on Bale. :-) Nope. While Bale may have had issues, particularly his ridiculous "Bat voice" the main problems with all the movies were the ridiculous screenplays. And that falls squarely on Nolan.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jun 29, 2015 11:55:02 GMT -5
Them and Whedon fans don't take kindly to criticism. But Nolan's not what ruined either of those two movies (I have no interest in the third) to the degree that they are unwatchable. That's all squarely on Bale. :-) Nope. While Bale may have had issues, particularly his ridiculous "Bat voice" the main problems with all the movies were the ridiculous screenplays. And that falls squarely on Nolan. I didn't have a problem with Christian Bale at all.
I thought the first two Nolan films were fun but highly over-rated. (Loved Heath Ledger as the Joker.)
The Dark Knight Rises - despite being good in the first hour because of Anne Hathaway - got really stupid really fast. And also really boring for a while. There was a four- or five-hour stretch in the middle that was as bad as Moonraker or Batman Forever. It picks up at the end. It's still stupid but it's not boring.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jun 29, 2015 15:23:26 GMT -5
Never So Few (1959) Frank Sinatra, Gina Lollobrigada, Steve McQueen, Peter Lawford, Charles Bronson, Dean Jones
Way too long movie about fighting in Burma against the Japanese in 1942. A huge and boring section in the middle concerning Frank and Gina romancing at an opulent hotel in friendly territory. McQueen had just begun his acting career and unfortunately they didn't use enough of him. Bronson plays a dickish soldier, Lawford is a cowardly doctor. The last half hour is pretty decent
Nerd alert: A scene where Burmese fighters in the jungle are seen reading some comic books. However these were 1959 issues of Tom and Jerry, definitely not Golden Age. Also George Takei is in a brief scene complaining about hospital food. He also had a bad case of pimples
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jun 30, 2015 9:24:56 GMT -5
Them and Whedon fans don't take kindly to criticism. But Nolan's not what ruined either of those two movies (I have no interest in the third) to the degree that they are unwatchable. That's all squarely on Bale. :-) Nope. While Bale may have had issues, particularly his ridiculous "Bat voice" the main problems with all the movies were the ridiculous screenplays. And that falls squarely on Nolan. I've watched it once, and being that Bale's Batman is as comfortable as a colonoscopy, I'll admit I didn't think/look to heavily into the story, so you may be every bit of correct in that. I haven't watched it since the first time I did, after it was first released on DVD. Based on you not being the only one whose said that, I can't see watching it again to see, even if I could deal with Bale.
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Post by crazyoldhermit on Jun 30, 2015 22:33:10 GMT -5
Lol. I often refer to dkr as a really good looking, cool, entertaining bad movie. It's a complete mess. Especially when compared to such solid prior installments. People really hate hearing any criticism of the holy Nolan trilogy though. I really don't care for The Dark Knight much either, but it's not nearly as bad as its successor. I liked Batman Begins when it came out, but I haven't watched it in years. After the last two, I wonder how much of that is just a reaction to it not being Batman Forever or Batman and Robin. I think Batman Begins holds up the best of them. It's the only one that feels like a Batman movie and it never really forgets that it's a superhero film the way the others do. The flaws that plague Nolan's trilogy (goofy voice, goofy car, goofy costume, etc) aren't as present and they can also be excused by Batman learning as he goes along. The infamous "SWEAR TO ME" thing was the first time this Batman had ever interrogated someone, while the ridiculous over the top Batmobile is a repurposed military prototype. The later movies don't have these excuses, especially Rises. The end of The Dark Knight left the door wide open for a third movie: His stupid love interest is dead, everyone thinks he's a murderer, the mob is dead, the dumb car is exploded. The road is paved for him to become a more mature, intelligent and dedicated Batman who will battle the ensuing flood of supervillains that will supplant the mafia as his primary enemy. Then Rises came along and knocked the shit out of that. Batman quits, even though the prior movie made it clear that Batman could never quit. Organized crime was not overtaken by supervillains, it was beaten back with magic legislation that stops all crime. Super villains don't exist, even though the last two movies have made a point of escalating conflict and the inevitable rise of the freaks who will take on Batman. All of it just thrown away in favor of a mix of The Cult, Rocky III and the Adam West series.
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Post by berkley on Jul 1, 2015 0:21:37 GMT -5
I remember when I was watching the last Batman movie I kept thinking that some comedy show should do a parody skit where every time Batman or Bane speaks everyone else keeps saying "I'm sorry?", "Could you repeat that?", "What was that again?", etc, etc.
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Post by crazyoldhermit on Jul 1, 2015 18:08:27 GMT -5
I remember when I was watching the last Batman movie I kept thinking that some comedy show should do a parody skit where every time Batman or Bane speaks everyone else keeps saying "I'm sorry?", "Could you repeat that?", "What was that again?", etc, etc. It's really funny how in an attempt to shake away the last associations with the goofy 60s show Nolan created a version of the character even more ripe for parody. The stock parody of Batman isn't Adam West anymore, it's Christian Bale and it's every bit as silly.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 2, 2015 6:08:07 GMT -5
Is there no love for that goofy Bane? I thought he was neat with his debonair way of talking as he crushes your spine, his casual menace when he asks " do you feel in charge", his outrageous rabble rousing speeches and his incorruptible devotion to Talia!
In fact, for some reason that probably has nothing to do with the film's actual quality, I enjoyed the third Nolan movie more than I did The Dark Knight (yes, I know, heresy)! Apart from the Joker's magic trick and Batman actually failing to save his crush, the second film had little surprise or character development. It was closer to a proper Batman comic, I'll grant that, but I don't want a superhero movie to be a comic blown up on a big screen; I want it to be a movie first with a story that goes from a to b and has a conclusion. Batman begins had development; Dark Knight Rises, plot holes and all, had development; the Dark Knight period had exciting action but little else. And turning Batman into a public villain at the end made little sense: why couldn't Harvey's death just be left unexplained or blamed on some criminal element, like the Joker's gang who had done a good job of blowing him up the first time?
And poor Batman... whether it's 1966 or the XXIst century, sometimes there's just no getting rid of a bomb!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 8:10:22 GMT -5
Of the three Christian Bale Movies - I never, ever really care for Dark Knight Rises - Matter of fact, I didn't care for it at all and I felt it was done poorly and with a script that wasn't all that cracked up to be. Batman Begins was excellent, Dark Knight with Heath Ledger as a Joker was superb, and then this movie of which had Anne Hathaway as the Catwoman and Tom Hardy as Bane was marginal at best and therefore I only saw it once and vowed never, ever see it again.
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Post by Pharozonk on Jul 2, 2015 11:19:21 GMT -5
I think all of the Nolan movies, including The Dark Knight, are boring.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 19:42:21 GMT -5
I remember when I was watching the last Batman movie I kept thinking that some comedy show should do a parody skit where every time Batman or Bane speaks everyone else keeps saying "I'm sorry?", "Could you repeat that?", "What was that again?", etc, etc. It's really funny how in an attempt to shake away the last associations with the goofy 60s show Nolan created a version of the character even more ripe for parody. The stock parody of Batman isn't Adam West anymore, it's Christian Bale and it's every bit as silly. Nah, nothing could be more daft than Adam West's Batman. I enjoy the Nolan movies.
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Post by batlaw on Jul 2, 2015 20:59:35 GMT -5
The difference is the adam west version was intentionally camp and silly. They hit their target. With nolans version, the constant conceits were "realism" and seriousness. So things like bales voice and the endless and silly plot holes of dark knight rises are more wirthy of critique and parody.
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Post by crazyoldhermit on Jul 3, 2015 19:33:06 GMT -5
It's really funny how in an attempt to shake away the last associations with the goofy 60s show Nolan created a version of the character even more ripe for parody. The stock parody of Batman isn't Adam West anymore, it's Christian Bale and it's every bit as silly. Nah, nothing could be more daft than Adam West's Batman. I enjoy the Nolan movies. It's funny because Christian Bale did the exact same thing at the end of TDKR.
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Post by berkley on Jul 3, 2015 23:59:30 GMT -5
Is there no love for that goofy Bane? I thought he was neat with his debonair way of talking as he crushes your spine, his casual menace when he asks " do you feel in charge", his outrageous rabble rousing speeches and his incorruptible devotion to Talia! In fact, for some reason that probably has nothing to do with the film's actual quality, I enjoyed the third Nolan movie more than I did The Dark Knight (yes, I know, heresy)! Apart from the Joker's magic trick and Batman actually failing to save his crush, the second film had little surprise or character development. It was closer to a proper Batman comic, I'll grant that, but I don't want a superhero movie to be a comic blown up on a big screen; I want it to be a movie first with a story that goes from a to b and has a conclusion. Batman begins had development; Dark Knight Rises, plot holes and all, had development; the Dark Knight period had exciting action but little else. And turning Batman into a public villain at the end made little sense: why couldn't Harvey's death just be left unexplained or blamed on some criminal element, like the Joker's gang who had done a good job of blowing him up the first time? And poor Batman... whether it's 1966 or the XXIst century, sometimes there's just no getting rid of a bomb! I did like Bane, to be honest - the actor did a good job there and in a way, he was kind of an underdog you wanted to cheer for - even the script was against him! I remember Slavoj Zizek somewhere making the interesting assertion that the most altruistic, selfless act made by anyone in the movie was Bane's enablement of Talia's escape from the prison. So yeah, inadvertantly, as far as the film-makers were concerned, Bane and Talia were the most compelling characters in the film. Of course, part of that is down to the personal charisma of the actors who played those two characters. Christian Bale is no slouch himself in that department, but Cotillard and Hardy are at another level entirely, IMO.
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