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Post by The Captain on May 27, 2019 7:02:50 GMT -5
@mechagodzilla, one thing to consider about Starr's career TD/INT numbers is that when he played, and pretty much up through the 1980s and into the 90s, is that teams were far less risk-averse as they are now. They let their quarterbacks sling the ball around the field on wide passes to the sidelines and long bombs down the field. Look at the following from guys who were considered top QB back then:
Terry Bradshaw - 212 TD, 210 INT Roger Staubach - 153 TD, 109 INT Ken Stabler - 194 TD, 222 INT Otto Graham - 174 TD, 135 INT Troy Aikman - 165 TD, 141 INT Jim Kelly - 237 TD, 175 INT Dan Marino - 420 TD, 252 INT Dan Fouts - 254 TD, 242 INT Joe Namath - 173 TD, 220 INT Johnny Unitas - 290 TD, 253 INT Len Dawson - 239 TD, 183 INT Sonny Jurgensen - 255 TD, 189 INT
These guys were known as "gunslingers", because they whipped the ball around the field with reckless abandon, playing high-risk, high-reward football. You know what all of those guys on the list above have in common? They're all in the NFL Hall of Fame, poor TD/INT rates notwithstanding.
Today, we get guys like: Tom Brady - 517 TD, 171 INT Aaron Rodgers - 338 TD, 80 INT Russell Wilson - 196 TD, 63 INT
Lots of West Coast or controlled offenses, with quick slants and underneath passes, designed to minimize mistakes and allow the receiver to catch and run, rather than having the quarterback air it out and potentially have the ball picked off. It's also because they've neutralized the defenses in the NFL, because fans want to see points scored, by making it nearly impossible for defensive backs to play aggressively, as any little contact with a receiver results in a pass interference call.
I used to like watching the NFL when guys like the ones on the first list played (at least the ones who played in the late 70s through the 90s), as the game seemed more exciting and less controlled and robotic. I never saw Bart Starr play, but he seems like he was another guy who played quarterback like it was supposed to be played, not as a "game manager" afraid of making mistakes or throwing picks.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 8:06:18 GMT -5
@mechagodzilla, one thing to consider about Starr's career TD/INT numbers is that when he played, and pretty much up through the 1980s and into the 90s, is that teams were far less risk-averse as they are now. They let their quarterbacks sling the ball around the field on wide passes to the sidelines and long bombs down the field. Look at the following from guys who were considered top QB back then: Terry Bradshaw - 212 TD, 210 INT Roger Staubach - 153 TD, 109 INT Ken Stabler - 194 TD, 222 INT Otto Graham - 174 TD, 135 INT Troy Aikman - 165 TD, 141 INT Jim Kelly - 237 TD, 175 INT Dan Marino - 420 TD, 252 INT Dan Fouts - 254 TD, 242 INT Joe Namath - 173 TD, 220 INT Johnny Unitas - 290 TD, 253 INT Len Dawson - 239 TD, 183 INT Sonny Jurgensen - 255 TD, 189 INT These guys were known as "gunslingers", because they whipped the ball around the field with reckless abandon, playing high-risk, high-reward football. You know what all of those guys on the list above have in common? They're all in the NFL Hall of Fame, poor TD/INT rates notwithstanding. Today, we get guys like: Tom Brady - 517 TD, 171 INT Aaron Rodgers - 338 TD, 80 INT Russell Wilson - 196 TD, 63 INT Lots of West Coast or controlled offenses, with quick slants and underneath passes, designed to minimize mistakes and allow the receiver to catch and run, rather than having the quarterback air it out and potentially have the ball picked off. It's also because they've neutralized the defenses in the NFL, because fans want to see points scored, by making it nearly impossible for defensive backs to play aggressively, as any little contact with a receiver results in a pass interference call. I used to like watching the NFL when guys like the ones on the first list played (at least the ones who played in the late 70s through the 90s), as the game seemed more exciting and less controlled and robotic. I never saw Bart Starr play, but he seems like he was another guy who played quarterback like it was supposed to be played, not as a "game manager" afraid of making mistakes or throwing picks. Thanks for this insightful review and you did your homework. For the record he played this position just like you said ... it was supposed to be played and more. I just find him a master at his craft and did it great consistency he and Paul Hornung were a pair to be reckoned with. Starr's passing and Hornung's running were exciting to watch and they worked together in harmony. I missed them dearly and that's why I liked the Green Bay Packers in the 60's and they were my team to watch.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 13:41:37 GMT -5
RIP Bill Buckner, former Red Sox and Cub. He died at 69 after a battle with dementia.
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Post by codystarbuck on May 27, 2019 17:33:12 GMT -5
Geez, someone put a curse on old Wild World of Sports footage? Losing a lot of sports people from my younger days.
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Post by Icctrombone on May 27, 2019 18:33:40 GMT -5
It's a real shame what Buckners legacy became. He was much more than a person who committed an error in game 6 of the '86 WS, he came about 250 hits short of 3000 and a Batting champ.
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Post by Prince Hal on May 28, 2019 12:25:48 GMT -5
It's a real shame what Buckners legacy became. He was much more than a person who committed an error in game 6 of the '86 WS, he came about 250 hits short of 3000 and a Batting champ. True. The game was tied anyway when he made the error. You can thank Bob Stanley's wild pitch (as it was scored) or Rich Gedman's passed ball (as some have seen it) for the tying run scoring on a 2-2 count. If blame can/should be properly assessed, look to Stanley, Gedman, Sox manager John (Nailed to the Bench) McNamara, who did nothing to try to calm down reliever Calvin Schiraldi, who wilted after two 2/3 innings, to either fatigue or the pressure. And then there was Sox second baseman Marty Barrett, who tried desperately to get Stanley to throw to second to try to pick off Ray Knight, who was way off the bag. Stanley never heard Barrett in the din of Shea Stadium. Marty, did you never think to call time? Very few plays in baseball are all one guy's fault. Don't know if any of the obits mention it, but Buckner made it back to the Sox and actually hit an inside-the-park homer to the resounding cheers of the fans in 1990. It was his only HR that season and the last of his career. (No small thanks to Angels' outfielder Claudell Washington) Sox lost, 3-1.
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Post by codystarbuck on May 30, 2019 22:59:09 GMT -5
RIP to singer/musician Leon Redbone, age indeterminate. Redbone was born Dickran Gobalian, in Cyprus, and emigrated to Ontario in the 1960s, where he changed his name to Leon Redbone. he became a fixture on the folk circuit in Toronto, before branching further, with two appearances during Saturday Night Live's debut season (plus others) as well as appearances on the Tonight Show and further recognition with the theme for the tv sitcom Mr Belvedere.
I first saw him on SNL, in the glory years and didn't quite know what to make of him, other than his voice grabbed your attention and his style was somewhere out of the past.
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Post by shaxper on May 30, 2019 23:14:19 GMT -5
I really only know him for his version of Baby, It's Cold Outside, which is a Christmas favorite of mine. Definitely going to put a damper on the holidays next year
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Post by tingramretro on Jun 3, 2019 10:59:15 GMT -5
Paul Darrow, who played scheming psychpath Avon in the cult 70's British sci-fi series Blake's 7, has died aged 78. A sad loss.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 3, 2019 11:24:10 GMT -5
Paul Darrow, who played scheming psychpath Avon in the cult 70's British sci-fi series Blake's 7, has died aged 78. A sad loss. Oh no.
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Post by Confessor on Jun 4, 2019 14:00:55 GMT -5
Paul Darrow, who played scheming psychpath Avon in the cult 70's British sci-fi series Blake's 7, has died aged 78. A sad loss. Yeah, heard this yesterday. Very sad news. Avon was one of my generation's quintessential fictional anti-heroes.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 6, 2019 21:15:09 GMT -5
R. I. P. Mac Rebennack...AKA Dr. John. Dr. John epitomized New Orleans music, especially since the deaths of Allen Toussaint and Fats Domino. His single "Right Place, Wrong Time" was probably the first contemporary single that I really loved.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2019 21:44:15 GMT -5
^ he was the inspiration for Dr. Teeth (of the Electric Mayhem) too loved his genre of music. .
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 6, 2019 23:02:52 GMT -5
Favorite performance is still Polynesiantown, from SCTV.
One of the things that I preferred about SCTV, compared to SNL, was that they incorporated musical guests into sketches.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 12:30:13 GMT -5
RIP Gloria Venderbilt, she was 95. NPR obit-M
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