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Post by Warmonger on Sept 28, 2017 11:19:13 GMT -5
He lived the life that I should've lived
RIP Heff
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Sept 28, 2017 11:40:12 GMT -5
So some people really DID read Playboy for the articles?? I would contend that if you actually read Playboy, particularly after the mid-60s, then you read it absolutely for the articles. Yes, there were nekkid girls. But you could find more nekkid girls for less money in other magazines. So if you were buying Playboy, yeah, there were the pictorials...but the actual selling point was the articles and the air of sophistication.
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Post by shaxper on Sept 28, 2017 11:57:27 GMT -5
So some people really DID read Playboy for the articles?? I would contend that if you actually read Playboy, particularly after the mid-60s, then you read it absolutely for the articles. Yes, there were nekkid girls. But you could find more nekkid girls for less money in other magazines. So if you were buying Playboy, yeah, there were the pictorials...but the actual selling point was the articles and the air of sophistication. And yet that very "air of sophistication" got Playboy included on a lot of news racks that refused to carry anything with smut in it. Most of the stationary stores in my neighborhood (remember those?) carried Playboy but not anything else with nudity in it. Hef may have done a lot for writers and artists of the day, but the bulk of his empire was built upon smut that was able to pass itself off as not being smut. Respectable married men who couldn't be caught dead with Hustler had subscriptions to Playboy. On a personal level, the idea that a "high class magazine" that defined the culture of the day so seamlessly intermixed high class culture, art, and exploiting nude women seems hopelessly out of date and offensive by today's standards. This is the RIP thread, and thus should be a place where we respect the deceased. I'm just not sure we should be celebrating Hef's accomplishments too loudly.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Sept 28, 2017 12:27:36 GMT -5
I guess I'd better bag and board those 90's Playboys I have.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Sept 28, 2017 12:53:39 GMT -5
I guess I'd better bag and board those 90's Playboys I have. Even Heff himself is slabbed, now!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2017 14:05:28 GMT -5
I guess I'd better bag and board those 90's Playboys I have. How many Playboys do you have? If embarrassed send me a PM!
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Sept 28, 2017 15:03:32 GMT -5
I guess I'd better bag and board those 90's Playboys I have. How many Playboys do you have? If embarrassed send me a PM!Maybe like 2-3 years worth. I started a subscription when I moved out of my folks house and canceled it before I met my wife. Which was incidentally premature, as she said she didn't care if I had still had it when we got married, once she found out I had them a year after we got married when we moved. I probably haven't looked at them since then.
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Post by brutalis on Sept 28, 2017 15:31:31 GMT -5
How many Playboys do you have? If embarrassed send me a PM!Maybe like 2-3 years worth. I started a subscription when I moved out of my folks house and canceled it before I met my wife. Which was incidentally premature, as she said she didn't care if I had still had it when we got married, once she found out I had them a year after we got married when we moved. I probably haven't looked at them since then. I think this was a coming of age thing among men moving from home because i did the same thing because it was Playboy nudes and articles and the parents wouldn't allow. Of course dropped after initial subscription as the rate goes up and then in 4-5 years Playboy would always dig through the subscription records and offer a great deal if subscribe again so another years worth and then dropped. So on and so forth through the 80's and occasionally an issue in the early 90's and 2000's just to see how much the magazine may have changed and nothing for the last 15 years or so. Think i took my boxes off to a used book store and sold the whole group around 10 years ago. Kept a few special issues for remembrance and articles though.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Sept 28, 2017 16:26:41 GMT -5
Maybe like 2-3 years worth. I started a subscription when I moved out of my folks house and canceled it before I met my wife. Which was incidentally premature, as she said she didn't care if I had still had it when we got married, once she found out I had them a year after we got married when we moved. I probably haven't looked at them since then. I think this was a coming of age thing among men moving from home because i did the same thing because it was Playboy nudes and articles and the parents wouldn't allow. Of course dropped after initial subscription as the rate goes up and then in 4-5 years Playboy would always dig through the subscription records and offer a great deal if subscribe again so another years worth and then dropped. So on and so forth through the 80's and occasionally an issue in the early 90's and 2000's just to see how much the magazine may have changed and nothing for the last 15 years or so. Think i took my boxes off to a used book store and sold the whole group around 10 years ago. Kept a few special issues for remembrance and articles though. Yeah I'd say that was the case for me. It was my first pornography in a sheltered upbringing. I had heard of Playboy, Hustler, Penthouse, etc in school, and Playboy sounded the more "safe" of them to try. I quickly found the actual pornography bland and a bit too altered in the airbrushed gals of the 90's and started reading the magazine a lot more. But as you mentioned, time went on, likes and priorities changed and even if I had talked to my to-be-wife about it before I probably still would have given it up in a year or two beyond that because of disinterest.
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Post by chadwilliam on Sept 28, 2017 20:39:33 GMT -5
I would contend that if you actually read Playboy, particularly after the mid-60s, then you read it absolutely for the articles. Yes, there were nekkid girls. But you could find more nekkid girls for less money in other magazines. So if you were buying Playboy, yeah, there were the pictorials...but the actual selling point was the articles and the air of sophistication. And yet that very "air of sophistication" got Playboy included on a lot of news racks that refused to carry anything with smut in it. Most of the stationary stores in my neighborhood (remember those?) carried Playboy but not anything else with nudity in it. Hef may have done a lot for writers and artists of the day, but the bulk of his empire was built upon smut that was able to pass itself off as not being smut. Respectable married men who couldn't be caught dead with Hustler had subscriptions to Playboy. On a personal level, the idea that a "high class magazine" that defined the culture of the day so seamlessly intermixed high class culture, art, and exploiting nude women seems hopelessly out of date and offensive by today's standards. This is the RIP thread, and thus should be a place where we respect the deceased. I'm just not sure we should be celebrating Hef's accomplishments too loudly. I'll second that. I mean, this is a guy who inaugurated Playboy by publishing a nude photo of Marilyn Monroe without her consent. Hefner paid for the photo so what he didn't certainly wasn't illegal, but it was far from ethical. What's even creepier is the fact that Hefner arranged to be buried next to Monroe who he never even met.
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Post by chadwilliam on Sept 28, 2017 20:44:16 GMT -5
Hefner was enough of a comicbook fan that he hired Jack Cole for Playboy and in fact, one of two of Cole's suicide notes was left for Hefner. Additionally, I've heard that the Adam West Batman series got started when word got around that the old serials were being shown at his place. Audiences would hiss the bad guys and cheer the heroes, suggesting not only that Batman being given a chance at television was a result of Hefner's influence, but the tone of the show as well. Not sure if the story has any validity however.Chad, It is true ... matter of fact that Adam West and Hugh Hefner were friends, not the best of friends - but friend only and it is true that Hef had lots of influence on old Batman Serial and had connections to William Dozier and I have a link here that's prove IT and having said that Hugh Hefner was indeed a huge Adam West Batman TV show and loved the fact that they hired Julie Newmar as Catwoman that made the show great for Hef. Hefner watched the show regularly in the 60's and loved Batman the Movie very much - that he watched it several times when it first came out. What you written in BOLD, chad is absolutely correct and I've met Adam West four times and I even asked him did the show had some Playboy connections - and he said "Yes" and what this link that I provided proved that. Hef liked Frank Gorshin as the Riddler and Gorshin was a friend of Hef too. More so than Adam. He also was a fan of Cesar Romero in his early movie career and enjoy his performance as the Joker. Hef at one time, suggested to Cesar to shave his mustache and rubbed it in - jokingly of course and Cesar got a good laugh about it. Later on, they became friends too. So, there is a connection of this and Adam along with Burt Ward were a favorites of Hef and rightly so. Thank you very much for this, Caped Crusader! A lot of great information from both you and your link.
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Post by codystarbuck on Sept 29, 2017 13:04:01 GMT -5
And yet that very "air of sophistication" got Playboy included on a lot of news racks that refused to carry anything with smut in it. Most of the stationary stores in my neighborhood (remember those?) carried Playboy but not anything else with nudity in it. Hef may have done a lot for writers and artists of the day, but the bulk of his empire was built upon smut that was able to pass itself off as not being smut. Respectable married men who couldn't be caught dead with Hustler had subscriptions to Playboy. On a personal level, the idea that a "high class magazine" that defined the culture of the day so seamlessly intermixed high class culture, art, and exploiting nude women seems hopelessly out of date and offensive by today's standards. This is the RIP thread, and thus should be a place where we respect the deceased. I'm just not sure we should be celebrating Hef's accomplishments too loudly. I'll second that. I mean, this is a guy who inaugurated Playboy by publishing a nude photo of Marilyn Monroe without her consent. Hefner paid for the photo so what he didn't certainly wasn't illegal, but it was far from ethical. What's even creepier is the fact that Hefner arranged to be buried next to Monroe who he never even met. Hefner was a complex individual, as are most people. he had his good and bad points. He and his magazine did help to bring mature discussion of sexual relations out in the open, along with things like the Kinsey Report and similar writings. At the same time, he built the success of the magazine on nude photos of women. Those photos were generally of better technical quality than most men's magazines and there was a higher level of writing within the magazine. There was also a single male fantasy lifestyle perpetuated within, that was both economically and socially out of the reach of most of the readership. he championed minority performers in his nightclubs, while at the same time objectifying the waitresses. Still, those clubs had strict rules about fraternization and conduct, though I suspect that didn't necessarily hold true for all clientele. Hefner led a hedonistic lifestyle and his later days were like some ridiculous soft porn fantasy, with a harem of attendants who may have been window dressing, concubines, nurses or whatever label fits. He was also a great philanthropist. No one is perfect; but, he was far from evil and he set higher standards than the bulk of his competitors, especially people like Larry Flint. Whether or not that is a plus is in your own perspective. Hef is not that different than some of his critics. To me, he always cam across as an intelligent man that was insecure in interpersonal relationships, probably due to a combination of his upbringing and his wife's admission of an affair, while he was in the army. He has spoken of how devastating it was to him. That probably helped shape a lot of what he built. There is both positive and negative within his life and legacy and you can't celebrate one without discussing the other; but, you also can't condemn the one without highlighting the other. I've seen some fairly balanced pieces on him, in the wake of his death, which pretty much detail both sides.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2017 19:56:36 GMT -5
RIP to Monty Hall, co-creator and host of Let's Make a Deal, he was 96. article/obit-M
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2017 20:49:35 GMT -5
My Mom and Dad were on the "Let's Make a Deal" show and dressed in Costumes and they weren't selected in the show; but after show they went around an offer deals like this one that was offered to my Mom. Monty came to her about 10 minutes after the show and go into your purse and open up your wallet and I'll pay you $10.00 for every dollar bill that's inside your wallet. To be fair to Monty; Monty took out all her cash and separate the bills and gave back the 2 $5 and a $20 back to her.
Then, Monty counted seven #1.00 bills inside your wallet; and he said to my Mom, You Keep your $1.00 bills and I'll pay you $10 for every $1.00 bill that you have. She walked away with $70.00 all in Alexander Hamilton's Face on and got out of the Studio with $70.00 richer.
We were on Vacation and the whole family was and while they were inside "Let's Make a Deal" studio; me and my three older brothers were entertained me and my three older brothers went to a taping of the "Brady Bunch" for kicks. The year was 1970 when we did this together; I was 11 years of age back then.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 15:08:28 GMT -5
Reports are coming in that Tom Petty has died at age 66. He was found unconscious and in full cardiac arrest at his Malibu home and rushed to the hospital and was on life support, but several agencies are reporting he was removed form life support this afternoon and has passed. Still hoping the latter reports are speculation, but it doesn't look good.
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