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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2015 10:26:30 GMT -5
This run of Defenders issues had such great covers but really bland interior art. I felt gypped when I bought them. As did I..."NEW" meant just NEW CRAP! It is hard to believe that the entire Defenders run went on for so long! |
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Post by foxley on Oct 17, 2015 19:44:25 GMT -5
This run of Defenders issues had such great covers but really bland interior art. I felt gypped when I bought them. I agree. The New Defenders never really worked, with hindsight. Maybe I'm alone in enjoying the New Defenders (although I was disappointed by the ending). I thought there was some really interesting interaction between the characters, and I loved the character of Cloud (who has been shamefully underused since the end of the series). |
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Post by tingramretro on Oct 18, 2015 2:17:19 GMT -5
This run of Defenders issues had such great covers but really bland interior art. I felt gypped when I bought them. As did I..."NEW" meant just NEW CRAP! It is hard to believe that the entire Defenders run went on for so long! I don't find it surprising at all that the original series (pre-New) lasted 125 issues. I still think it's one of Marvel's most underrated books. The Steve Gerber run, in particular, was outstanding, and the early DeMatteis stuff was pretty good, too. I just think it totally lost its way when they basically removed almost all the Defenders from the book and brought in half the X-Men and a woman who has never worked well in teams. Beast as a Defender worked; add Angel and Iceman and you've basically just got The X-Men and Some Random Characters. |
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Post by tingramretro on Oct 18, 2015 2:37:14 GMT -5
I agree. The New Defenders never really worked, with hindsight. Maybe I'm alone in enjoying the New Defenders (although I was disappointed by the ending). I thought there was some really interesting interaction between the characters, and I loved the character of Cloud (who has been shamefully underused since the end of the series). I think it started off OK, though I never really believed in all the characters' motives for being there (just deciding to form a superteam for the Hell of it? You'd think Angel would have learned his lesson after the Champions). But even having read them more than once, I honestly couldn't tell you what most of the last 18 months or so of the book's run was actually about, it seemed to me to be an unfocused mess much of the time. And the ending was just an appalingly written excuse to get rid of all the non mutant characters to make way for X-Factor. Plus, they've never addressed the big, unspoken question left hanging in between the end of New Defenders and Beast's return to New York the following month: whatever happened to Sassafras? |
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Post by DE Sinclair on Oct 19, 2015 11:31:04 GMT -5
Maybe I'm alone in enjoying the New Defenders (although I was disappointed by the ending). I thought there was some really interesting interaction between the characters, and I loved the character of Cloud (who has been shamefully underused since the end of the series). I think it started off OK, though I never really believed in all the characters' motives for being there (just deciding to form a superteam for the Hell of it? You'd think Angel would have learned his lesson after the Champions). But even having read them more than once, I honestly couldn't tell you what most of the last 18 months or so of the book's run was actually about, it seemed to me to be an unfocused mess much of the time. And the ending was just an appalingly written excuse to get rid of all the non mutant characters to make way for X-Factor. Plus, they've never addressed the big, unspoken question left hanging in between the end of New Defenders and Beast's return to New York the following month: whatever happened to Sassafras? Despite having these issues, and read them some decades ago, I had no idea who Sassafras was. Thanks to the wonders of the internet, I now know that it was Beast's dog.
Sassafras' fate, according to Marvel.wikia.com: After Beast returned to the East Coast, Sassafrass was adopted by an orphan boy called Henry (aged ten). The pair were inseparable and went on to have lots of fun adventures. They were never attacked by supervillains.[\spoiler]
Don't know where, or if it was ever covered in an actual comic, but it's still a better resolution than Omega the Unknown got in the Defenders.
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Post by tingramretro on Oct 19, 2015 11:55:49 GMT -5
I think it started off OK, though I never really believed in all the characters' motives for being there (just deciding to form a superteam for the Hell of it? You'd think Angel would have learned his lesson after the Champions). But even having read them more than once, I honestly couldn't tell you what most of the last 18 months or so of the book's run was actually about, it seemed to me to be an unfocused mess much of the time. And the ending was just an appalingly written excuse to get rid of all the non mutant characters to make way for X-Factor. Plus, they've never addressed the big, unspoken question left hanging in between the end of New Defenders and Beast's return to New York the following month: whatever happened to Sassafras? Despite having these issues, and read them some decades ago, I had no idea who Sassafras was. Thanks to the wonders of the internet, I now know that it was Beast's dog.
Sassafras' fate, according to Marvel.wikia.com: After Beast returned to the East Coast, Sassafrass was adopted by an orphan boy called Henry (aged ten). The pair were inseparable and went on to have lots of fun adventures. They were never attacked by supervillains.[\spoiler]
Don't know where, or if it was ever covered in an actual comic, but it's still a better resolution than Omega the Unknown got in the Defenders.
I actually created most of that entry, though the last paragraph (about Sassy's fate) was added by my friend Lucy. She likes a happy ending. Suffice it to say, it was never covered in the comics.  |
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Post by DE Sinclair on Oct 19, 2015 13:24:00 GMT -5
Despite having these issues, and read them some decades ago, I had no idea who Sassafras was. Thanks to the wonders of the internet, I now know that it was Beast's dog.
Sassafras' fate, according to Marvel.wikia.com: After Beast returned to the East Coast, Sassafrass was adopted by an orphan boy called Henry (aged ten). The pair were inseparable and went on to have lots of fun adventures. They were never attacked by supervillains.[\spoiler]
Don't know where, or if it was ever covered in an actual comic, but it's still a better resolution than Omega the Unknown got in the Defenders.
I actually created most of that entry, though the last paragraph (about Sassy's fate) was added by my friend Lucy. She likes a happy ending. Suffice it to say, it was never covered in the comics. So that was totally fabricated by you & Lucy, and I quoted it back to you? That is hilarious. |
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Post by tingramretro on Oct 19, 2015 13:40:14 GMT -5
I actually created most of that entry, though the last paragraph (about Sassy's fate) was added by my friend Lucy. She likes a happy ending. Suffice it to say, it was never covered in the comics. So that was totally fabricated by you & Lucy, and I quoted it back to you? That is hilarious. I thought so. I used to do quite a lot of work on that site at one time. I think I'm most proud of this entry... marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Neil_Tennant |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2015 22:48:19 GMT -5
it's almost time to vote.. has everyone entered?
(shocked I haven't seen a certain cover yet).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2015 2:40:48 GMT -5
The voting hand points to MDG this week.
-M
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Post by Rob Allen on Oct 20, 2015 5:33:11 GMT -5
Hoosier X
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Post by tingramretro on Oct 20, 2015 5:47:50 GMT -5
MechaGodzilla
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 20, 2015 6:24:23 GMT -5
tingramretro
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 20, 2015 6:24:53 GMT -5
Not a lot of participation this week...
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Post by foxley on Oct 20, 2015 7:01:03 GMT -5
tingrametro
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