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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jan 6, 2016 22:43:54 GMT -5
I really like his Justice League and Phantom Stranger - And haven't read his Batman.
But it wasn't as good as Swamp Thing.
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Post by Warmonger on Jan 7, 2016 6:36:26 GMT -5
Yes, and as much a fanboy I am of his, he hasn't drawn a single panel of the quality of his early stuff since the 80ies (brush vs pencil...  ) But I wondr tough : I rate the Wein run very highly and feel it still holds even as of todays' standards. But has he done anything of this quality since then? I confess I have only been exposed to odds and ends of hs later stuff though, but it all seemed pretty basic. Note that # 1 and # 3 aren't actually very good, and # 6 was all Starlin. So, basically, no. Not even close. I loved his run on Incredible Hulk with Sal, but yeah, aside from that and his 70's stuff on Swamp Thing, I've never been a huge fan. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jan 7, 2016 13:35:22 GMT -5
I really like his Justice League and Phantom Stranger - And haven't read his Batman. But it wasn't as good as Swamp Thing. I think his Batman was definitely on the same level as his swamp thing, that brooding narration style he had was just a great fit. |
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Post by Trevor on Jan 16, 2016 20:56:42 GMT -5
Swamp Thing is problematic for me because my interest begins and ends with Alan Moore...yet Len Wein, a creator I really like, is back and of course was the original creator. I'm tempted to try it out. The Alan Moore run is perhaps the pinnacle of Big Two monthlies, just absolutely amazing. But don't overlook the stuff before and after him. The original Wein Wrightson run is a big part of why I'm here, fwiw, perhaps the first book/character that addicted me to comics as a 5 or so year old. The Rick Veitch stuff immediately after Moore left is excellent, and various stuff in the decades since have been good to very good. |
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Post by shaxper on Jan 16, 2016 21:45:53 GMT -5
Has Wein ever weighed in with his opinion on what Moore did to the character? I'm curious whether he'll acknowledge it or run from it.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jan 16, 2016 22:26:20 GMT -5
Has Wein ever weighed in with his opinion on what Moore did to the character? I'm curious whether he'll acknowledge it or run from it. I remember this one from around Brightest Day in 2011 "For the most part, over the years, it's been by very talented people," Wein said. "My run with Bernie certainly stands up. And then Alan Moore's run, and Rick Veitch's run, were all top-notch stories, which I think kept the audience compelled." And more recently from over the summer, "Well, I mean, Alan Moore's certainly seminal as much as mine, and I will take a lot of things he did. Others, as you so mentioned, I would graciously not like to mention. I guess you'll see how it evolves as it evolves." "The punchline of the first six-issue arc is the Phantom Stranger saying to him, "Who do you think you are?" And his response is, "I'm Doctor Alec Holland." That sort of tells you everything you need to know. [Laughs]" "How much will you be exploring the Green and Swamp Thing's place as protector of the Green? That plays into a bunch of it. The Green makes him an offer in the very first issue. We explore what that means if he decides to take that offer, and what will happen if doesn't, which would lead to other worse situations." So it seems he's a fan of Moore's run and is aware of the changes that have been made over the years and is taking what he liked, ejecting what he didn't and doing it how he likes which is all you can really ask of a writer. |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jan 17, 2016 1:50:55 GMT -5
Has Wein ever weighed in with his opinion on what Moore did to the character? I'm curious whether he'll acknowledge it or run from it. This is a short five-part interview which features Alan Moore, Len Wein and Karen Berger. Wein seemed to gush about Alan's work back then. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 19, 2016 9:01:51 GMT -5
Yes, and as much a fanboy I am of his, he hasn't drawn a single panel of the quality of his early stuff since the 80ies (brush vs pencil... ) But I wondr tough : I rate the Wein run very highly and feel it still holds even as of todays' standards. But has he done anything of this quality since then? I confess I have only been exposed to odds and ends of hs later stuff though, but it all seemed pretty basic. Note that # 1 and # 3 aren't actually very good, and # 6 was all Starlin. So, basically, no. Not even close. Just as an aside, I wonder how much of the creation of Mongul is Weins and how much is Starlin. He looks a lot like Thanos and Lord Papal. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jan 19, 2016 20:45:45 GMT -5
Wikipedia's saying that Wein claims primary creatorship. ("He had Starlin visuals but he was my creation.")
I really thought it was Starlin - Especially since the Starlin drawn issues of DC Comics Presents are orders-of-magnitude better than anything else Wein wrote during his time on the book.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jan 20, 2016 13:53:45 GMT -5
Swamp Thing is problematic for me because my interest begins and ends with Alan Moore...yet Len Wein, a creator I really like, is back and of course was the original creator. I'm tempted to try it out. I might like the Wein/Wrightson run better. I've definitely read it more - It's a lot less dark than Moore's stuff, a lot more fast paced goofy pulphorror fun. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Feb 4, 2016 15:04:21 GMT -5
The second Swamp Thing was really fun, nothing ground breaking but a solid horror book none the less.
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