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Post by String on Apr 5, 2016 12:39:28 GMT -5
I think Truman is more respectful of the source material (or at least that's what I've heard).
But I'm more surprised over the response to Wood's efforts. I was little skeptical of that title anyway but I thought he would handle this genre better. His Northlanders is a superb book, probably my favorite of among his works.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Apr 5, 2016 13:16:58 GMT -5
Yet, those current Giorello minis (not the ones wit Truman) probably are the strongest art Conan comics ever had. But the pacing indeed is problematic. On a side note, I for one greatly enjoyed the Brian Wood Run, some great art as well! Were there Giorello minis without Truman? Or do you mean ones with art by both Truman and Giorello? The artwork in Conan the barbarian (Wood's run) was uneven. I really loved Becky Cloonan's take, and James Harren, Riccardo Burchielli or Paul Azaceta all did good work... But Dmitri Lolos? Probably the most ill-considered assignment of the last decade. Lolos would have been good on a new version of Brother Power, but not Conan. My problem with Brian wood is that no matter how good a writer he is, he just didn't get Conan. I don't mean when it comes to little details, but the core of the character. That and his mishandling of Hyborian age geopolitics kept me from enjoying the good things he did with the book. (I'll go back to reading Northlanders if I want more Wood sword swinging).
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Apr 5, 2016 13:28:17 GMT -5
I think Truman is more respectful of the source material (or at least that's what I've heard). But I'm more surprised over the response to Wood's efforts. I was little skeptical of that title anyway but I thought he would handle this genre better. His Northlanders is a superb book, probably my favorite of among his works. Truman is indeed fairly respectful of the original material, to the point that it warranted him a bad review on CBR just because he was "bogged down" in explaining what was going on in faraway Zamora or Koth in a story for overall continuity purposes. (Well I'm sorry, mister CBR critic, but the fake history of the Hyborian age, when it is handled by a writer who knows what he's doing, is a large part of what makes the Conan stories enjoyable. Get thee back to reading Grant Morrison comics). That being said, Truman is no better when it comes to the original sources than Busiek was before him, nor van Lente after. His Howardian scholarship is just much, much, much better than Brian Wood's. Truman also took several liberties in the miniseries that were doubtless justified from a dramatic point of view, but that I viewed as unnecessary and that purists would view as sacrilegious. ("Zenobia fought alongside Conan in the Belverus dungeons? Well, I never!!!") My own estimation of his work would place him among the good Conan writer, but I still prefer Thomas, Busiek and van Lente. I should however point out that the first story arc of Conan the cimmerian is one of the best Conan runs ever, be it at Dark Horse or Marvel. Truman really did a great job with that.
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Post by String on Apr 6, 2016 17:51:54 GMT -5
I should however point out that the first story arc of Conan the cimmerian is one of the best Conan runs ever, be it at Dark Horse or Marvel. Truman really did a great job with that. Duly noted, thanks. I'll definitely check that out now.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Apr 6, 2016 19:41:19 GMT -5
I should however point out that the first story arc of Conan the cimmerian is one of the best Conan runs ever, be it at Dark Horse or Marvel. Truman really did a great job with that. Duly noted, thanks. I'll definitely check that out now. The Rich Corben art alone is worth the price of entry!
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Post by thwhtguardian on Apr 10, 2016 9:24:12 GMT -5
On a side note to Van Lente's awesome Conan run, I also really liked his St. George and the Dragon story he did in Dark Horse Presents a few years back. He told the myth we know and created a fantastic world for it to exist in, I keep hoping he'll go back and do more St. George stories as I'd buy them in a heart beat.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 10:28:13 GMT -5
I finally read the Conan and the People of the Black Circle mini-series. I have a plethora of Conan comics and trades that I've been sitting on but since seeing this thread, I decided that it was time to give it a read.
I liked it quite a bit. I'm looking forward to getting through Wood's run to get to van Lente's.
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Post by Warmonger on Apr 22, 2016 11:56:37 GMT -5
I just can't get over the art. Conan's just one of those characters I can't imagine being drawn by anyone other than Buscema or Barry Smith (with a few exceptions).
Never liked anyone other than Kirby and Buscema on Silver Surfer either.
Though the artwork isn't bad by any means (it's actually quite good).
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Apr 22, 2016 12:46:23 GMT -5
I just can't get over the art. Conan's just one of those characters I can't imagine being drawn by anyone other than Buscema or Barry Smith (with a few exceptions). Never liked anyone other than Kirby and Buscema on Silver Surfer either. Though the artwork isn't bad by any means (it's actually quite good). Did you get a chance to see Cary Nord's interpretation? I really liked the way it didn't try to emulate either Big John or Barry, and went for a new feel (one that's tinged with Frazetta influence, but still its own thing). The way Cary drew buildings, weapons and clothes made them look very authentic, historical, and not at all like the kind of fantasy stuff we usually see in S&S mags. "My" Conan will always be Smith's, but I was happy to be won over by a new artist... not an easy thing to do considering what a crotchety old fan I am.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 14:43:45 GMT -5
Nord is probably my favorite artistic interpretation of Conan in comics. It has that hard gritty realistic vibe that Howard put into his writing and he captures the lithe but powerful Conan-Smith gets the lithe, Buscema the powerful but neither had the balance of the two that Howard put forward in the stories. I like both, and Frazetta is the pinnacle for me, but Nord is the most Howardian vision of Conan I have seen.
-M
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 17, 2016 8:28:32 GMT -5
The final issues of Conan the avenger were collected in a nice hardback book, "A witch shall be born". I'm sorry to see Van Lente go as the main Conan writer at Dark Horse; I think he continued doing an outstanding job (in the league of Thomas and Busiek).
One point kept annoying me : Van Lente used the story "Xuthal of the dusk" and its aftermath to set up "A witch shall be born", which was all right with me... except that geographically, he really should have placed Xuthal much farther to the east, and should have had Conna move east again at the end of the tale. In the Howard original (as well as here), Xuthal is a city south of Stygia. When he leaves it in the Dark Horse series, Conan movers even further south, to an oasis where he meets queen Taramis of Khauran, whom he will eventually serve as captain of her guard.
That Taramis would move to a faraway place to secretly meet with the king of Turan (as is said in the story) makes sense, but why would the two monarchs choose such an impossibly distant place? Xuthal and Khauran are as distant as Niger is from the Crimean peninsula.
Even if we accepted that Taramis and Yezdigerd are very, very careful about their secrets, the oasis is seen again as a spot where refugees from Khauran assemble as they flee their beleaguered country. That's even the spot where Conan will have them form a new army bent on freeing Khauran from the evil witch that has taken it over! Once again, the distance between that oasis and Khauran make that very unlikely.
But apart from that little detail, I liked the book just fine. It is not as inventive as previous story arcs, being mostly a straightforward adaptation of the Howard tale rather than a mix of adaptation and Van Lente original material, but it remains true to the characters and the Howardian Hyborian Age. I would have preferred six more issues in which Van lente would have developed the character of Olgerd Vladislav and Conan's rise among the Zuagirs, but I suppose there were business imperatives to consider.
Artwise, Brian Ching does another excellent job, going his own way and not trying to emulate either Buscema, Smith or Frazetta. I like his original approach. (One chapter is drawn by a guest artist, which is a pity; the art is not bad, but does not look at all like Ching's.)
Globally, I still think that the original adaptation in Savage sword of Conan #5 was better (by Crom, is there no pleasing these critics?)... Buscema and DeZuniga made the art more emotionally intense, and Roy Thomas's script had to tell the tale in far fewer pages, making it more gripping. Still, Van Lente and Ching can be proud of a very enjoyable adaptation that nicely complements the illustrated Conan library.
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Post by berkley on Oct 18, 2016 22:24:05 GMT -5
Duly noted, thanks. I'll definitely check that out now. The Rich Corben art alone is worth the price of entry! Has that been collected on its own anywhere?
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 19, 2016 5:26:59 GMT -5
The Rich Corben art alone is worth the price of entry! Has that been collected on its own anywhere? Not just the Corben material, but it can all be found in the book titled Cimmeria. The best one from the Truman era, in my opinion.
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