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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2015 19:07:08 GMT -5
Wait. Saying something in this thread is just a bad drawing is off topic?
Maybe I wasn't meant for this thread then?
I thought this thread was full of opinions since no on can really "prove" something is good or bad when it comes to art.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Nov 4, 2015 19:07:10 GMT -5
Come on, guys! Let's see some more bad art!  Alright then : Ra As Ghul looking like a girafe holding an awkward knife/saber, Killer-croc looking like a mix from the parasite in "Brain Damaged" and a tumor, Clayface like a pile of turds, Scarecrow's legs are thrice as long as his arms, and the Joker's face (mixed with the Penguin) makes almost as little sense as the perspectives of the gun he's holding, or where his neck stands on his upper body. One could argue that it's not such a big deal in stylized art, but obviously Lee is aiming at a "superhero-realistic" style, which also is a source of problems since he choses to go against this in hte way he draws the joker's face, in complete contrast/opposition with the rest of the cast. The thing about Jim Lee is that his stuff is generally sylized in the same way. Like his female figures are always 87% leg and 12 % boob. I give him points for consistency. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2015 19:10:53 GMT -5
The perspectives of the gun don't bother me, if you've seen a 21" barreled Super Redhawk. Just look at the position of the handle in regard of the angle of the upper part of the gun FCS, it goes in a completely different direction And about that Kelley Jones batman panel, that's a prime exemple of stylized art not remotely trying to look realistic or anatomicaly correct. You might not like it [snip] Exactly...which is why I posted it. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Nov 4, 2015 19:22:22 GMT -5
Wait. Saying something in this thread is just a bad drawing is off topic? Maybe I wasn't meant for this thread then? I thought this thread was full of opinions since no on can really "prove" something is good or bad when it comes to art. Nope, saying a drawing is bad because you don't like it is. Saying you don't like it because of criterias is fine. Then we can discuss if those criterias are valid or not, as we obviously love to And anyone can easily prove you that Batman's left leg isn't attached to any pelvis on htat drawing, stylized or not stylized. I confess I jumped to conclusion initially on that one that Jezebel found this bad because of style preferences, due to her "self-confessed" appreciation for that Jim Lee panel  . edit : Apparently, I was right I now see. Well, again, stating your dislike for a heavily stylized panel because of this very stylization says more about you than about the actual panel, which is why it is IMHO off topic here, it just amounts to : "this is a list of stuff that is bad, because I think so, just because"  Nov 5, 2015 0:51:16 GMT 1 Arthur Gordon Scratch said: You might not like it [snip] Nov 5, 2015 1:10:53 GMT 1 Jezebel Bond said: Exactly...which is why I posted it. In a "worst drawn panel of all time topic" (without any criticism but a I wouldn't buy Batman books with this bulltata passing for art), not in a "I don't like that panel" topic, exactly...  |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Nov 4, 2015 19:47:17 GMT -5
Wait. Saying something in this thread is just a bad drawing is off topic? Maybe I wasn't meant for this thread then? I thought this thread was full of opinions since no on can really "prove" something is good or bad when it comes to art. Thats me. I'm also not good at critiquing, even constructively. The worst that these conversation come down to is artist A critiqued by poster A is bad art because of anatomy and perspective. Poster B says no that's not bad, it's stylized art. Then poster B points out a artist C and says, now that's bad art. Poster A comes back to artist C and says, no that's stylized art. Just seems a vicious cycle of people defending art they like. With me being the only one to defend Rob Liefield. :-) |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Nov 4, 2015 19:48:02 GMT -5
I'm free to discuss as you are, love. If I state something, I just try to back it a little, that's my modus operandi, most here proceed that very same way. Sorry if you took it personnaly, really. For me, a discussion is always open, as long as it is a discussion  But it seems that one has come to an end, if it ever began. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Nov 4, 2015 19:52:59 GMT -5
Wait. Saying something in this thread is just a bad drawing is off topic? Maybe I wasn't meant for this thread then? I thought this thread was full of opinions since no on can really "prove" something is good or bad when it comes to art. Thats me. I'm also not good at critiquing, even constructively. The worst that these conversation come down to is artist A critiqued by poster A is bad art because of anatomy and perspective. Poster B says no that's not bad, it's stylized art. Then poster B points out a artist C and says, now that's bad art. Poster A comes back to artist C and says, no that's stylized art. Just seems a vicious cycle of people defending art they like. With me being the only one to defend Rob Liefield. :-) No one would fault you for your love of Rob, maybe for your defending his art though Yeah, it can end up like you describe, sadly. But it's mostly due to some amount of lazyness in some way. If you construct your criticism, at least we have grounds to discuss and a grill of analysis to observe. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2015 20:01:08 GMT -5
I am too emotional to critique anything properly because there are things drawn that I hate simply because it goes with a horrible portion of a story.
The later parts of Alpha Flight volume one is a great example. And when I can get to a computer I will post some. Maybe.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Nov 4, 2015 20:23:18 GMT -5
If I were to say the one thing above all I notice or can turn me off (not always avoid the art like the plague) to a person's art is human faces. Some artist can do well overall otherwise but their faces are like the monster dude from Goonies; Todd McFarlane, Jae Lee, Sam Keith, Jack Kirby, John Byrne, Greg Cappulo (sp?), Kelly Jones .... It is the one thing that I cam critique. :-)
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Nov 4, 2015 20:38:48 GMT -5
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Nov 4, 2015 20:43:22 GMT -5
Sam Keith's problem is he wants to draw like Frank Frazetta, just as Arthur Suydam, but somehow, he just never seems interested in having it look realistic, and his technical skills haven't really improved in that regard. Yet, his use of color is wonderfull, and he often manages to have his art very charming, in its cartoonish glory. But yes I fully admit it can look ugly and be distracting, and yet I think I own every single piece of published material of his but a few variant covers...
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Nov 4, 2015 20:44:42 GMT -5
I get it with early Jae Lee, but in the past 15 years, his art has drasticaly evolved, and most of his faces are IMHO quite elegant.  Damn! He's changed since the 90's. That's a sexy gal. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2015 20:53:42 GMT -5
You had me with that first one, Arthur.
That is brilliant.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 4, 2015 20:59:53 GMT -5
I'll give you the ridiculously long cape standing up on it's own and the Bat ears longer than Batman's head as 'style' (sometimes big crazy capes can even be cool).
The Hulk Smash body with one leg coming out of the stomach? Where IS the other one?
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Nov 4, 2015 21:05:38 GMT -5
I'll give you the ridiculously long cape standing up on it's own and the Bat ears longer than Batman's head as 'style' (sometimes big crazy capes can even be cool). The Hulk Smash body with one leg coming out of the stomach? Where IS the other one? Why would you assume batman needs more than one leg with that east-Germany doped one coming right out of his stomach? |
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