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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Dec 7, 2015 15:11:39 GMT -5
In an ideal world, it should be as you say, yet, those artists don't live in a vaccum, and we got dozens of online comicbook gossip/PR sites. I find it more distastefull of a "reporter" to ask a question to Alan Moore he cannot answer in any other way but a critical one if he is honest to himself. Then said reporter publish it tabloid style on his site and shares it with possible targets of said critique. Whith a gentleman like Alan Moore who doesn't partake in any social media, doesn't travel outside of england, doesn't even has internet and has publicly said over and over he doesn't want to have anything to do anymore with mainstream big two comic books (as he got too screwed over by those). On the other hand, when Morrison or Aaron take on their "rants", they are perfectly aware of the way social media work and know precisely who they are talking to, being used as they are with the internet hype machine. Context is everything, maybe even for Rob Liefeld.
IMHO, the biggest and only insult Alan Moore inflicts on his detractors and the big two is his ongoing production for Avatar comics ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2015 15:16:09 GMT -5
Oh, I agree, some reporters can ask nasty or trapping questions. But he could decline an answer.
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Post by chadwilliam on Dec 7, 2015 22:00:49 GMT -5
Really well said. I have never heard of an issue Alan Moore has had with anyone that wasn't so clearly, eloquently, honestly, and perfectly detailed as to make it clear that whatever the issue, it was not borne out of some capricious whim, misunderstanding of the facts, or a result of his being a curmudgeonly, old man. Whether it be Grant Morrison accusing him of being "obsessed with rape" or DC's treatment of him over Watchmen the man has taken a lot of shit.
To me, that's the difference between others using his characters - based on other pre-existing characters though they may be (in a story of his Moore's own however) - and him using Stoker's, Doyle's, Poe's, Barrie's, etc, etc. To see other writers come in and appropriate Moore's own tools to benefit the same company that screwed Moore over when he created those tools is far different from Moore using the creations of someone who had no such problems with their employers - or if they did, those employers aren't now benefiting from what Moore is doing.
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 9, 2015 7:21:22 GMT -5
Of all the "Big Threat" villains, Darkseid is the lamest. He never takes an active role in physically beating down his opponents. If I had a nickel for everytime I saw him with his hands behind his back observing...
There. I said it.
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Post by Cei-U! on Dec 9, 2015 8:23:48 GMT -5
I concur. Neither Darkseid nor Thanos has ever impressed me.
Cei-U! I summon the twin sons of different mothers!
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Dec 9, 2015 10:17:41 GMT -5
But brute force isn't where real power lies, does it?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 10:46:39 GMT -5
Of all the "Big Threat" villains, Darkseid is the lamest. He never takes an active role in physically beating down his opponents. If I had a nickel for everytime I saw him with his hands behind his back observing... There. I said it. He does give a bitch slap now and then
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Post by sunofdarkchild on Dec 9, 2015 10:55:04 GMT -5
The Electric Superman from 1997 wasn't bad, in fact the stories were pretty good. Superman and Lois were still newlyweds and that dynamic was good. It was a 'powers don't make the man' story and allowed for situations similar to those in which he's powerless without rehashing the 'Superman loses his powers' story. All in all, the writing was still good most of the time despite the idea seeming weird.
There. I said it.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 9, 2015 15:59:45 GMT -5
I think Cosmo is the greatest character Marvel came up with in recent memory.
There! I barked it.
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Post by berkley on Dec 9, 2015 16:34:03 GMT -5
I think Cosmo is the greatest character Marvel came up with in recent memory. There! I barked it. And yet that bloody raccoon gets all the attention!
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Dec 9, 2015 16:52:19 GMT -5
I think Cosmo is the greatest character Marvel came up with in recent memory. There! I barked it. After reading the Star-Lord Conquest mini-series I said the same thing about Groot. Then I turned in my geek knowledge badge when I found Tales to Astonish #13. :-(
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Post by berkley on Dec 9, 2015 17:04:22 GMT -5
Of all the "Big Threat" villains, Darkseid is the lamest. He never takes an active role in physically beating down his opponents. If I had a nickel for everytime I saw him with his hands behind his back observing... There. I said it. I have the exact opposite view: for me some of the worst Darkseid stories are those in which he does take "an active role in physically beating down his opponents", while standing in the background or far away on Apokolips "with his hands behind his back observing" is just the way I think he's best portrayed. Although, in a way, that means I agree with you that Darkseid is a bad villain for Superman or the JLA - because to get him to play that role the writer usually does end up making him just another powered-up fistfighter in order to give Superman someone to beat up.Waste of the great character, IMO.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Dec 9, 2015 17:11:35 GMT -5
Of all the "Big Threat" villains, Darkseid is the lamest. He never takes an active role in physically beating down his opponents. If I had a nickel for everytime I saw him with his hands behind his back observing... There. I said it. I have the exact opposite view: for me some of the worst Darkseid stories are those in which he does take "an active role in physically beating down his opponents", while standing in the background or far away on Apokolips "with his hands behind his back observing" is just the way I think he's best portrayed. Although, in a way, that means I agree with you that Darkseid is a bad villain for Superman or the JLA - because to get him to play that role the writer usually does end up making him just another powered-up fistfighter in order to give Superman someone to beat up.Waste of the great character, IMO. yes indeed, and to put it to a more extreme comparison, it would be like saying Hitler or Kissinger were lame villains because they never were violent warriors.
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Post by dupersuper on Dec 10, 2015 3:11:17 GMT -5
My point is Alan Moore has built his career using characters that aren't his...but doesn't act graciously when his own creations are used. Which of his creation are you refering to? He had no objection in the original Hellblazer title, he actually helped pick Jamie Delano as its writer. Which of his Watchmen characters has he actually created, and which one of htose was used in a creative way in Before Watchmen? Which of his self unapproved cinematographic adaptation added anything interesting to the original material? I remember a quote or 2 of Moore slamming Johns for mining Moores Green Lantern stuff for his run. I'd read a Moore story over a Johns story 6 days a week (at least 1 day I'm bound to be in more of a "popcorn flick" mood), but that's still an odd criticism from some one who should know how shared universes work... I agree he was screwed on Watchmen, but the GL comment just came off as petty.
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Post by dupersuper on Dec 10, 2015 3:20:02 GMT -5
They're all long dead. What's your point? That they are long dead. You need to go back and re-read what you wrote where you criticized Moore for not being gracious. That would be a good point if you had an example of Carroll, Baum and Barrie being gracious about the later use of their characters. I'm not sure how whether those authors would be gracious or not has any bearing on Moores slight hypocrisy in being ungracious himself.
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