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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2015 17:42:07 GMT -5
Come on, Jez. It is not the size of the gun that matters... I know...it's how you use it...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2015 17:51:15 GMT -5
In keeping with the request to get the thread back on track, I offer the following: I don't get the appeal of '50s DC books. Stories like Baby Superman, Alien Batman, 100-Foot Tall Jimmy Olsen, Lois Lane marries a gorilla, or the attendant Wonder Tot and Aqualad characters hold absolutely no interest for me, particularly in this day and age after the riches of the later Silver Age and Bronze Age in terms of shared universe continuity and character development. I wasn't too keen on imaginary sons, King Kong Batman, or Gaggy either...I mean...I *still* keep them if a nice copy comes along but...I prefer my New 52 stories by far. Even when Joker cut off his face. Blasphemy to some here, I can hear the gnashing of teeth...but I said it nyah nyah...
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Post by realjla on Dec 18, 2015 22:49:07 GMT -5
I feel the same way about most of pre-Bronze Age DC. I started paying attention to comics in 1978. So, "my" Batman didn't see much of Robin, and was on his own if it was anywhere else but JLA, World's Finest and Brave & Bold; "my" Superman likewise took care of Kandor before the end of the '70s(I didn't even read that story until recently), had no robots, except a random few in the Fortress, who watered alien plants or something; and, as Clark, worked for WGBS, not the Daily Planet(until, around 1980, he returned to the paper part time.
Flash lost Iris very soon after my intro to his adventures(the only appearence of hers before her death that I read was a bad "disco" story in B & B # 151). Ollie and Dinah were an "item", and he looked weird without facial hair, and with that old costume; Hal Jordan WAS Green Lantern, period. Hawkman and Hawkgirl had a Hol/Hall/hell of a lot of names to keep track of; Atom hadn't left Jean (yet), but the writing was on the wall; Ralph and Sue...well, they didn't change until much later, but that way lies madness, and overpriced tie-ins; Aquaman, Wonder Woman, and Red Tornado were just kinda "there". Zatanna was just joining the League, in her mom's hand me downs; and the cool, up and coming, fresh-faced teenage hero who was sure to join the League someday was...Air Wave, until Greens Lantern and Arrow dissed him one time too many, which created the opportunity for Gerry Conway to control Superman's mind, and invite Firestorm to join. And it was all cool, even if I was 4 years old when I started following it! The stories were written for an older audience, but you didn't need to read the prerequisite 55 other books to keep everything straight, and they weren't "little kid stuff"; little kids had Super Friends, where Batman and Robin were both inseperable and insufferable. That's my era, and I'm stickin' with it.* This footnote not written by Cei-U, or-- Julie.
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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 18, 2015 23:00:12 GMT -5
I feel the same way about most of pre-Bronze Age DC... That's my era, and I'm stickin' with it.* This footnote not written by Cei-U, or-- Julie. As millions of people have said, the Golden Age of everything is 12.
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Post by realjla on Dec 18, 2015 23:15:13 GMT -5
I feel the same way about most of pre-Bronze Age DC... That's my era, and I'm stickin' with it.* This footnote not written by Cei-U, or-- Julie. As millions of people have said, the Golden Age of everything is 12. I can believe it; among the presents for my combined 12th "Christmas Birthday" were a bunch of comics...including the last issue of Crisis on Infinite Earths. Marvel seemed more interesting from then on.
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Post by dupersuper on Dec 18, 2015 23:42:14 GMT -5
It still amazes me how big of an issue hair length still is. The massive irony is that the the main perpetrators (right-wing Christians) venerate a guy who could easily pass for any random male spectator at Woodstock. Sources on this, please. I know that the default position of many on this forum is to blame "right-wing Christians" for everything bad in this world, but this is just a gratuitous shot unless you can otherwise show specific instances where folks with long hair were specifically targeted for discrimination by "right-wing Christians". Sorry if this comes across as combative, but it's getting a little old. I have no problem with calling Christians out when they are acting poorly (it's why my wife and I left our last church, due to openly anti-gay attitudes among congregational leaders), but this is ridiculous. It's getting old for the same reason news of mass shootings, police shootings of unarmed black men, Isis beheadings, the Kardashians, Donald Trump, and any other persistent story is: it never effing ends. As long as I can find new clips every damn day of Fox news pundits, local, state and federal American officials, and man-on-the-street interviewees and protestors saying something horrible and defending it with their religion or "Christian values" (like the leaders in your previous church), or claiming they're being oppressed on the level of European Jews in the 1930s because the Walmart greeter said "Happy holidays", then complaining the comments are getting old is just shooting the messenger.
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Post by dupersuper on Dec 19, 2015 1:25:20 GMT -5
You can't be TOO down on long haired sandal wearing vagrant hippie types if you're a Christian, right? Take the story of Samson. Dude has all kinds of strength when his hair is long, but as soon as it gets cut short, he's weak as a kitten. Which may have been for the best...he was pretty murdery.
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Post by dupersuper on Dec 19, 2015 1:25:38 GMT -5
In keeping with the request to get the thread back on track, I offer the following: I don't get the appeal of '50s DC books. Stories like Baby Superman, Alien Batman, 100-Foot Tall Jimmy Olsen, Lois Lane marries a gorilla, or the attendant Wonder Tot and Aqualad characters hold absolutely no interest for me, particularly in this day and age after the riches of the later Silver Age and Bronze Age in terms of shared universe continuity and character development. There. I said it. Why do you hate whimsy?
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Post by Nowhere Man on Dec 19, 2015 1:50:29 GMT -5
To comment one last time, I'm sorry for derailing the thread a bit with my generalized personal experience with Christian family members. I might be watching too many Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins videos. I follow them in twitter, too, so this stuff is usually on the forefront of my mind.
I can appreciate the 50's DC books on the level of comedy, but they're not something I'd want to read with any regularity. You basically have to laugh at them, not with them. It would be one thing if they were all satires or clever joke books (I'm sure some were for certain creators) but most of it seemed to stem from the fact that publishers didn't think much of the readership at the time and were hampered, thanks mainly to Wertham, in telling exciting stories that featured action, violence, death and suspense.
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Post by realjla on Dec 19, 2015 3:59:01 GMT -5
No worries, it's just that after a few "religion is stoopid" posts, and Richard Dawkins name-drops, I thought I'd gone to "Byrne Robotics" by mistake. <Michael Kelso> John BUUUURRN!<\Michael Kelso>
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 19, 2015 7:27:30 GMT -5
Krypto is a wonderful creation and I hope he never gets "killed' or written out of the Superman world. I said it.
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Post by Confessor on Dec 19, 2015 7:31:37 GMT -5
It still amazes me how big of an issue hair length still is. The massive irony is that the the main perpetrators (right-wing Christians) venerate a guy who could easily pass for any random male spectator at Woodstock. Sources on this, please. I know that the default position of many on this forum is to blame "right-wing Christians" for everything bad in this world, but this is just a gratuitous shot unless you can otherwise show specific instances where folks with long hair were specifically targeted for discrimination by "right-wing Christians". Sorry if this comes across as combative, but it's getting a little old. I have no problem with calling Christians out when they are acting poorly (it's why my wife and I left our last church, due to openly anti-gay attitudes among congregational leaders), but this is ridiculous. Agreed. As a guy who has at times had really long hair and even now has hair longer than most men, I've gotten a surprising amount of s**t about it over the last 25 odd years. But I've never noticed that it was Christians giving me grief. People who are more right-wing generally, yes, but honestly, the people who tend to get s**ttiest about it are thick, poor white trash types or chavs or townies as we call them in this country. But that's not because they're Christian, far from it, they're just giant asshats!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2015 9:00:45 GMT -5
Krypto is a wonderful creation and I hope he never gets "killed' or written out of the Superman world. I said it. Krypto! <3 I am going to make my white dog a Krypto collar. I cannot make the cape, though.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Dec 19, 2015 9:47:06 GMT -5
Well, no one would fault you if you did
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Post by The Captain on Dec 19, 2015 10:06:39 GMT -5
In keeping with the request to get the thread back on track, I offer the following: I don't get the appeal of '50s DC books. Stories like Baby Superman, Alien Batman, 100-Foot Tall Jimmy Olsen, Lois Lane marries a gorilla, or the attendant Wonder Tot and Aqualad characters hold absolutely no interest for me, particularly in this day and age after the riches of the later Silver Age and Bronze Age in terms of shared universe continuity and character development. There. I said it. Why do you hate whimsy? Well, I am a Christian, so... All joking and possibly ill-conceived callbacks aside, I boil it down to two reasons. First is that I was not raised on these books, nor did I have any exposure at a young age to them. I turned 6 in 1979, with the first books I read being Star Wars, Micronauts, Godzilla, and a handful of Marvel superheroes. As I got older, I read G.I. Joe and then Amazing Spider-Man before diving head-first into the entire Marvel Universe. As such, I have no nostalgic affinity for these types of stories, and so when I see them, they just seem childish to me, because I have not connection to them in any way; they were aimed at a pre-teen male audience when they were written, but my introduction to them came when I was in my late-teens and early-20's, at which time they just looked like "little kid books". Secondly, the style of storytelling doesn't appeal to me. This isn't to say they aren't well-written, but the very nature of the books doesn't interest me. A brief story to illustrate my point: My father, who is pushing 70, came to me a few years back frustrated by something he'd watched. He had seen an ad for the show Fringe during a football game and thought it looked interesting, so he watched that episode. Problem was, it was in the middle of Season Three, and he said that he felt lost and that he didn't like that he had to have seen all of the previous episodes to make sense of what was going on. He preferred shows like Bonanza and Gunsmoke, where you could just watch an episode out of the blue and everything was wrapped up at the end of the hour. You didn't have to watch every week, nor did you have to remember minutiae about characters or events because the next episode told a whole new story. I explained to him that those type of shows were uninteresting to me, because the characters were always the same. They never grew as people, and events from one episode rarely if ever had any consequences down the road. Conversely, I love serialized storytelling, from soap operas to The X-Files to Buffy to Angel to Supernatural to any of the countless other shows I watch today, because there is a grander sense of universe going on, where something that happens in tonight's episode might be important next week or next season or three seasons down the road. To that end, events like Gwen Stacy or Jean Grey dying affected storylines for years, but did Bat-Baby or Really Weak Superman or 100-Foot Tall Lois Lane ever get mentioned again, or were they just one-off stories that were forgotten by the following month? This is why I tend to read series in their entirety rather than just picking random issues here and there, because I want to understand the entire universe (either for just the character or the shared universe they exist in). That's just me.
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