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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2023 8:53:04 GMT -5
Nostalgia is one of the best gifts of all as I get older, the ability to "transport" myself away to happier times when I'm feeling the stress of something going on in the present. Loving the music I do, the old comics, animation, etc., they are nothing but joy.
I don't even think about "measuring" how they hold up, why would I do that? Their value to me is all that matters, nor do I try to promote my tastes as better than others though always fun to find common ground when people do share those opinions.
Old stuff isn't "junk", it just makes up who we are. There are no "objective" measurements of stuff like comic books (no matter how strenuously some folks try to assert their opinions to the contrary), and it would just take all the fun out of it if there were.
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Post by kirby101 on Dec 3, 2023 9:10:30 GMT -5
It's probably more likely it was garbage...because you were 12 and 12 year olds like a lot of stupid stuff. It's even okay to still like it. Just have the self-awareness to recognize that some of the things we like are junk. I mean, I like a lot of really crappy stuff. But I recognize that it's garbage. I'm a believer in the slamanian doctrine of romanticizing of the material we've read as youngsters. Case in point, I LOVE the Kree /Skrull war. In the proceeding years I've come to see it as a good tale with many diversions and Roy Thomas packed too many plots into the story. It was weird that he included the Inhumans when he didn't need to. But I still love it. I re read the Kree-Skrull War just a few years ago, and thought it still holds up. A correction though, Roy alone did not plot. Neal Adams had just as big a hand in the plot as Roy and many of those diversions were all Neal. He wanted a loner arc, maybe 12 issues, Roy didn't. One of the reasons Roy called in John Buscema to quickly wrap it up.
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Post by kirby101 on Dec 3, 2023 9:14:33 GMT -5
The Golden Era for readers is 12 thing. I can only speak for myself. I started buying Conan monthly when I was 15, in another year or so I was buying 5 or 6 books a week off the stands. I started buying back issues as well, amassing much of the Marvel Silver Age books. My Golden Era for comics is the Bronze Age in my late teens through my college years.
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Post by Batflunkie on Dec 3, 2023 10:06:53 GMT -5
When I was 12, I loved The Dark Crystal, it was one of my favorite movies. Watching it now, I can only really appreciate the craftsmanship that went into the world, not necessarily the story. But then again, Henson wanted it to be a dark fantasy for children anyway
And then I latched onto the Netflix show "Dark Crystal: Age Of Resistance", but then it got cancelled after one season. Still angry and bitter about it
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Post by Duragizer on Dec 3, 2023 16:20:45 GMT -5
Age of Resistance was one of the best series Netflix ever produced. So predictably, they cancelled it prematurely.
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Post by jason on Dec 3, 2023 16:21:31 GMT -5
The Fantastic Four having names like Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Thing, Human Torch, makes no sense when they dont have secret identities. I guess they serve as nicknames and it probably made them more marketable (in-universe, several Marvel heroes have merchandise and comics based off of their stories).
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Post by tarkintino on Dec 3, 2023 17:25:10 GMT -5
Age of Resistance was one of the best series Netflix ever produced. So predictably, they cancelled it prematurely. So that explains why Stranger Things goes on and on with spinoffs planned. Oh joy, more ripping off so much of awful 1980s culture.
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Post by berkley on Dec 3, 2023 21:15:51 GMT -5
I've had a few different golden ages in comics - and in fact I actually missed the 12 to 13 years because I had temporarily quit reading comics most of those years. So my golden ages as far as reading things as they came out new on the stands were the late 1960s and early 1970s up to around 1972 or part-way through 1973, then from around mid-1975 to the late 70s or early 80s. Then there was another golden age from the late 1980s through most of the 1990s with independent comics like Love and Rockets, Lloyd Llewellyn, Eightball, etc.
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Post by sunofdarkchild on Dec 4, 2023 5:55:37 GMT -5
Whatever nostalgia I may have for the time I was 12, it's not for the comics that were coming out then. By the time I was 10 I was aware that the quality of the writing of the Superman comics was falling drastically from the quality of the 90s stories and that I was better off just rereading older Superman stories than buying new comics, and while my Batman fanboyism was strong enough to like anything Batman related at the time, even then I always preferred the older comics from the late 60s through the 90s to any Batman comic from the early 2000s before Grant Morrison came in, and now I hate most of the Batman comics from the time I was 12 and see that as the dark age for Batman. My 'nostalgia' is for comics that were coming out when I was in diapers or preschool or in Marvel's case before I was even born since I find very little worthwhile in Marvel comics published after the 80s.
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Post by MRPs_Missives on Dec 4, 2023 13:30:18 GMT -5
With a lot of introspection, what I have come to understand about my 12 year old self was that the joy did not come from the stuff, it came from the discovery of the stuff. Discovering new comics, cartoons, toys, books, movies, TV shows was a joy. But it isn't inherent in the stuff, its inherent in the experience. Nostalgia is fine, I can revisit the old stuff, some of it holds u, most of it doesn't, but revisiting it can never replicate the experience of discovery, which is what brought me the joy. I can however, continue to find that joy by continuing to explore things and find new things to interact with-new music, new artists, new comics, new books, new TV shows, new movies whatever. Discovery is always possible. Some things I find become perennial favorites that bring me joy in their own right, some things only hold my interest for a short time, but the process of discovery and the joy it brings to me can last as long as I am willing to continue to discover things, and nostalgia is the antithesis of discovery.
-M
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Post by berkley on Dec 4, 2023 15:04:06 GMT -5
Lots of room for both, in my experience. I haven't done much nostalgia-reading the last many years - even the old stuff I've read has been mostly new to me - but I look forward to getting back into some early Marvel, etc once reach that era in my progress through the years.
In my 1990s reading I've just recently started adding in a few re-reads - e.g. Love and Rockets, Eightball - since it's been so long since I last did anything like that. But most of my time is still taken up with things I'm trying for the first time - e.g. Hellblazer, Sandman.
I definitely want to spend more time reading newer, post-2000 things though - I figure if I keep saying this I'll shame myself into doing something about it! Actually I did start a good one today, Posy Simmonds's Literary Life (revised ed. 2016). And since this is one cartoon or sometimes a single strip per page, I think I'll try to start something else in addition, something that's more of a complete story, if I can make my mind up which one.
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Post by MRPs_Missives on Dec 4, 2023 15:29:21 GMT -5
Lots of room for both, in my experience. I haven't done much nostalgia-reading the last many years - even the old stuff I've read has been mostly new to me - but I look forward to getting back into some early Marvel, etc once reach that era in my progress through the years. In my 1990s reading I've just recently started adding in a few re-reads - e.g. Love and Rockets, Eightball - since it's been so long since I last did anything like that. But most of my time is still taken up with things I'm trying for the first time - e.g. Hellblazer, Sandman. I definitely want to spend more time reading newer, post-2000 things though - I figure if I keep saying this I'll shame myself into doing something about it! Actually I did start a good one today, Posy Simmonds's Literary Life (revised ed. 2016). And since this is one cartoon or sometimes a single strip per page, I think I'll try to start something else in addition, something that's more of a complete story, if I can make my mind up which one. By new, I mean new to me, not necessarily current, though I do explore a lot of current stuff. But if something was published in say 1942 but I haven't experienced it before, it's still "new" to me and there's still a sense of discovery. Also, it's possible to spend time with old favorite without it being nostalgia driven. We all like to spend time with old friends, but it's not just about the times we spent in the past, its also about creating new memories with them. I find the old favorites I like the best are the ones that help me discover new about them or myself each time I visit with them. It's not about trying to reexperience what brought me joy when I was 1, it's about finding new joy with them as I experience them again. I will never be able to experience things the way I did when I was 12 because I am not 12 any more and I have had too much life experience to look at the world the way I did when I was 12, not to mention the world has changed as well. If I expect that when I revisit old favorites, I am going to find nothing but disappointment and bitterness. I have fond memories of the stuff from when I was 12, and I can enjoy those memories, but I can never relive those memories because the actual joy of discovery that fueled their creation is now absent from the equation. I can remember it, but I can never re-experience it. That discovery is a one time thing that cannot be recreated. And that, I think is where nostalgia falls short because many folks don't want the memories with it, they want to reexperience it as if they were 12 again, and that is never going to happen. As a tangent, I think that kind of nostalgia is also the impetus for a lot of the hate and negativity fandoms are rife with these days, especially the "they are ruining my childhood" types of statements. Your childhood is already gone and is just a memory. Nothing they can do will change your memories, but your expectation of being able to go back and reexperience your childhood as if you were 12 again is what they think is being taken away, but you can't take away something that never existed, and the ability to reexperience things as if you were 12 again was a fallacy that never existed. Revisit old favorites all you want. There's nothing inherently wrong with it, but again it comes back to one of my mantra's-most of life's disappointments stem form unrealistic expectations and indulging in nostalgia with the expectation you will be able to relive things as your 12 year old self is completely unrealistic. The brain and the consciousness just don't work that way and cannot ignore all of the ensuing years of experience to operate as if you were 12 again. But sometimes people allow what they think they want to blind them to what they actually want or need. -M
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 4, 2023 17:51:35 GMT -5
Baboons are not apes they are Old World monkeys.
There. I said it.
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Post by berkley on Dec 4, 2023 18:18:09 GMT -5
Baboons are not apes they are Old World monkeys. There. I said it.
What does that say about the Badoon?
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 4, 2023 18:26:41 GMT -5
Baboons are not apes they are Old World monkeys. There. I said it.
What does that say about the Badoon?
Aren't' they reptilians? I barely even remember them.
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