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Post by impulse on Oct 3, 2024 10:19:15 GMT -5
That's sort of what they did. Not necessarily garish, but muted in some instances. Quite different from the original. I'm happy for whatever new version they want to make AS LONG AS they would also put out the "original" version as well. A faithful remaster so to speak instead of reimagining.
The original has value and is worth preserving.
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Post by supercat on Oct 3, 2024 11:39:50 GMT -5
The answer to all original Star Wars trilogy versions at this point is Harmy's Despecialized Edition.
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Post by codystarbuck on Oct 3, 2024 11:46:13 GMT -5
I never minded the improving of the presentation of Star Wars, just Lucas F@#$ing with the story and the pacing of things. That CGI run through Mos Eisley is pointless and distracting, especially with obviously CGI characters walking between the landspeeder and the Stormtroopers. You wouldn't shoot it that way, live (and didn't), so why CGI in the distractions? It's a bad filmmaking choice. Also, the pacing of Empire is thrown off by the cuts to Vader now boarding his shuttle back to his Super Star Destroyer. Who cares how he got there? Back in 1980, we didn't; we were more engrossed in Luke, hanging on for dear life, until the Falcon comes along and rescues him. that tension is killed by the shots of a slow moving Darth Vader boarding his shuttle. Again, a bad choice.
Cleaning up matte lines and sweetening effects weren't a big deal. CGI X-Wings were a bit too fake, compared to the practical models (which had a "weight" to them that CGI can't duplicate). The Jabba scene was never that necessary and doing it for comical effect lessens the menace of the death threats.
And Han didn't just shoot first...he shot only! Greedo never fired a blast. It worked better that way, as it made Han dangerous and you aren't sure you trust him, right up to the point he and Chewie return to save Luke's bacon. That was his character arc. Having Greedo miss, at point blank range, with an energy weapon, just because you don't like the "hero" shooting first, undercut the scene and the character. han isn't the hero, he's an anti-hero, until he comes under Luke and Ben's influence. His friends make him a better person...that's the whole point.
The downfall of Star Wars came when George and Marcia filed for divorce.
That example speaks as much to being as true to original intent, in coloring, more than the cleaning up and prettying of the films. The latter is giving it a bit of modern gloss, for a new generation, without really affecting the world and the story. The latter did change the story and not for any real valid past flaw that needed fixing, but because of personal insecurities about criticisms that came later. You notice in the added footage you see more people of color than in the original versions, as well as more crowded set pieces than originally done. The last part isn't as bad, except the shots created were designed to draw attention to it, not flesh out the scene. Lucas did similar things with the DVD of THX1138; but, he fleshed out the cityscape, rather than inserted people between actors or did sight gags. He just made the city look bigger than he could practically, in the early 70s, when he was shooting in the BART terminals. He left story and character alone.
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Post by supercat on Oct 3, 2024 11:55:02 GMT -5
I never minded the improving of the presentation of Star Wars, just Lucas F@#$ing with the story and the pacing of things. That was really the issue. And in fact, some of the restoration work was because the master tapes had degraded so badly and a lot of videos we had back then were NOT the same quality as what we had seen in the movie theaters originally. Yes, some enhancements too, but what I like actually about Harmy's is that it tries to take the best elements of true restoration and remove the actual changes to the story. And of course Han flat out shot Greedo, it was a wretched hive of scum and villainy. Not a Disney after school special.
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Post by impulse on Oct 3, 2024 12:21:11 GMT -5
Yes, the issue is, he didn't just restore or improve it. It included significant stylistic changes even before you consider the added or changed content.
Restore colors faded with time? Sure! Fill in the cockpit shell lines over the pilot since they were see-through in the original but intended to be solid? Sure! I don't even mind adding windows on Cloud city to the see the clouds. Fits the aesthetic and original intent.
I wish they would restore the full original theatrical cuts with modern quality, that's all. Plus any version they also want to do, but give us a "best and final" take on the original.
And I love Harmy's versions. It's more or less what I am looking for.
YES. Han didn't shoot first. Han shot. Greedo smoked.
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Post by rich on Oct 5, 2024 5:46:00 GMT -5
Traditional inking had much more character and I dislike the overly clean AI generated looking perfection of digital inking.
Does anyone prefer digital inking? If so, why?
(One credit I'll give to digital inking- it makes drawing hair easier! As opposed to messing about with whiteout.)
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