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Post by Cei-U! on Jan 8, 2018 13:01:56 GMT -5
In the illustration shown above, the users are too small in proportion to their chairs,. If the proportions were correct, the chairs' width wouldn't be an issue. They're also seated too high. The user's center of gravity needs to be closer to the back axle to be stable. But at least this artist actually got dome reference material, as the chairs themselves are essentially accurate.
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Post by shaxper on Jan 8, 2018 13:56:19 GMT -5
![](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5phcOrjChnM/Trw47TV5axI/AAAAAAAADQ4/-jL503rP9_M/s1600/992049-batgirl__3_019_super.jpg) How wheelchairs are drawn comics annoy me (limited what have seen of it at least). Its like the artists have never actually seen one before. Always seem oversized and extremely impractical looking and like they don't fit the person. I mean, you never get through a doorway with those lol The chair is meant to be the least focus, not the main thing you see imo. There I said it ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) I think artists struggle with wheelchairs far more than they should. It changes the arrangement of the panel since 1) the character is always sitting and 2) they are inevitably lower to the ground than anyone standing, and so that somehow throws things off to the point where, when we get a person in a wheelchair in-panel, it's like the panel has to be focused RIGHT on the chair. It can't just be something that's in the frame. Berke Breathed once admitted that the reason Cutter John (one of my favorite characters) disappeared from Bloom County was because he struggled with this. Sure enough, in most of Cutter John appearances, the chair is the focal point of the strip: ![](http://art.cafimg.com/images/Category_3563/subcat_30720/aBloomSundaywheel1981.JPG) Kind of the opposite of inclusion. That's like pointing out how dark the skin of an African American character is everytime he or she appears on the page, or that a female character has boobs (oh, wait. The comic industry does that).
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Post by Søren on Jan 8, 2018 14:13:05 GMT -5
[edited picture out to save space] How wheelchairs are drawn comics annoy me (limited what have seen of it at least). Its like the artists have never actually seen one before. Always seem oversized and extremely impractical looking and like they don't fit the person. I mean, you never get through a doorway with those lol The chair is meant to be the least focus, not the main thing you see imo. There I said it ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) I think artists struggle with wheelchairs far more than they should. It changes the arrangement of the panel since 1) the character is always sitting and 2) they are inevitably lower to the ground than anyone standing, and so that somehow throws things off to the point where, when we get a person in a wheelchair in-panel, it's like the panel has to be focused RIGHT on the chair. It can't just be something that's in the frame. Berke Breathed once admitted that the reason Cutter John (one of my favorite characters) disappeared from Bloom County was because he struggled with this. Sure enough, in most of Cutter John appearances, the chair is the focal point of the strip: [edited picture out to save space] Kind of the opposite of inclusion. That's like pointing out how dark the skin of an African American character is everytime he or she appears on the page, or that a female character has boobs (oh, wait. The comic industry does that). Personally, I wouldn't mind if part the disabled character was cut off in view... mimic real life lol anyway another reason I love Dredd stories is that they had a very diverse characters and stuff like that is never an issue or to base a whole story around. Also the characters stay injured... ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) but guess that a different rant.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 13, 2018 11:45:22 GMT -5
I understand that many of the Superman fans enjoyed the triangle era but it's a pain to read those stories because it entails digging through several long boxes.
There I said it.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jan 13, 2018 12:19:33 GMT -5
I understand that many of the Superman fans enjoyed the triangle era but it's a pain to read those stories because it entails digging through several long boxes. There I said it. Put them together in order. Filing is for your convenience.
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Post by Duragizer on Jan 20, 2018 22:56:22 GMT -5
I've always considered the classic Capt. America costume a tad ... bombastic.
That said, I'm not American, so maybe its value is lost on me.
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Post by Confessor on Jan 21, 2018 7:56:37 GMT -5
I've always considered the classic Capt. America costume a tad ... bombastic. That said, I'm not American, so maybe its value is lost on me. Being British, I kinda know what you mean, but time and context are everything. Remember that Cap was created in 1941, during the darkest days of World War 2, as a consciously political hero, arising from Simon and Kirby's moral repulsion at Nazi Germany. Hell, they even had Cap punching out Hitler himself of the front cover of his first comic appearance. Just think about that for a second: a guy dressed up in the freaking flag of the USA, created by two Jewish men, punching out the supreme leader of the Nazi death machine. Yeah, politics and political statements writ large have always been at the very core of Captain America. Does Cap still need to dress in ol' "Betsy" Ross's colours? Maybe not, but, unlike other superheroes created during WW2, who have, over time, lost the Stars and Stripes on their costumes, like Wonder Woman, for example, Cap actually has the word "America" in his name. It's kinda difficult to tone down the American in a character called Captain America.
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Post by berkley on Jan 21, 2018 22:52:25 GMT -5
American flag-waving does often rub me the wrong way but for whatever reason Captain America has never bothered me, for the most part. I get more annoyed with Superman, who doesn't dress in the US flag but who has over the years nonetheless ended up feeling to me like a smug, self-congratulatory symbol of American power and moral superiority. Logically, Captain America should make me feel some of that same distaste, and there are times when that happens, depending on the writer. But not nearly as often as it should, if I were more consistent.
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Post by brutalis on Jan 22, 2018 8:14:35 GMT -5
i didn't read a single comic book all weekend long...there i said it!!!
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Post by rberman on Jan 22, 2018 8:20:15 GMT -5
Doctor Doom looks cool and has a great backstory/origin but is an obnoxious tool of a stereotypical villain, always ranting and raving and waving his royal willie. "You DARE to defy Doom?!!?" Please. That, and he's a typical Kirby super-scientist, able to pull the exact never-seen-before-or-since doodad out of his ass the situation calls for. Cei-U! I summon my cancelled Latverian visa! Doom is the character who most resembles the obnoxious Alpha Male version of a comic book fan. "My knowledge of the genre is superior! Bow to me! It is my right!" But he hates going out in public, preferring to send someone else in his place. He'd rather stay home in the lab and tinker. Ryan North had fun with Doom's megalomania in his recent Squirrel Girl appearance, in which he raved that he was superior to Galactus, who operates only at the base of Maslow's hierarchy of needs (hunger) and only used his own custom programming language in which every command was "DOOM" something.
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Post by rberman on Jan 22, 2018 8:23:00 GMT -5
American flag-waving does often rub me the wrong way but for whatever reason Captain America has never bothered me, for the most part. I get more annoyed with Superman, who doesn't dress in the US flag but who has over the years nonetheless ended up feeling to me like a smug, self-congratulatory symbol of American power and moral superiority. Logically, Captain America should make me feel some of that same distaste, and there are times when that happens, depending on the writer. But not nearly as often as it should, if I were more consistent. Captain America represents America of the idealized past, so he's often used to critique the actual America of the present. Whereas Superman, preventer of natural disasters, basically represents and defends the status quo, except on rare occasions when his illegal immigrant status gets highlighted.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 22, 2018 8:51:53 GMT -5
i didn't read a single comic book all weekend long...there i said it!!! I was your reverse flash- I read 50 comics this weekend. All digital.
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Post by brutalis on Jan 22, 2018 13:20:25 GMT -5
i didn't read a single comic book all weekend long...there i said it!!! I was your reverse flash- I read 50 comics this weekend. All digital. You evil villain you! It turned windy and cold here over the weekend. it was either read comics or watch movies and movies won out. Grit TV had a bunch of westerns which i hadn't seen before or not watched in a long time and then Sunday they had marathon of all 3 original Walking Tall movies. So hot tea and munchies all day long watching television. This weekend will be my blow through comic book weekend.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 22, 2018 18:24:38 GMT -5
I was your reverse flash- I read 50 comics this weekend. All digital. You evil villain you! It turned windy and cold here over the weekend. it was either read comics or watch movies and movies won out. Grit TV had a bunch of westerns which i hadn't seen before or not watched in a long time and then Sunday they had marathon of all 3 original Walking Tall movies. So hot tea and munchies all day long watching television. This weekend will be my blow through comic book weekend. I remember that they made sequels from the Walking Tall movie, but they replaced the original actor.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jan 23, 2018 0:36:59 GMT -5
I've always considered the classic Capt. America costume a tad ... bombastic. That said, I'm not American, so maybe its value is lost on me. Captain America was conceived to be a knight serving the American ideal. Look at the costume: chain mail, gauntlets, buccaneer boots (or cavalier boots, if you prefer), and, originally, a templar shield. The only thing missing was a lance and/or sword. The templar shield got traded for a buckler, which still says knight, to me. That aspect has been lost over time, as the interpretation of the costume moved more to cloth (due to artists who didn't render chain mail well), until Kevin Maguire went nuts with it, which everyone reinterpreted as scale mail. Still, most artists these days don't want to reproduce that. In looking at Simon & Kirby, you can see the Hal Foster influence (Prince Valiant), mixed with the swashbucklers and the pulps. When you look at other super-patriots of the Golden Age, Cap actually looks kind of tame and definitely has better dress sense.
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