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Post by kirby101 on Apr 9, 2018 15:19:19 GMT -5
As someone who read Starlin from his first Ironman story through Capt. Marvel to Warlock, I always felt his artwork was the best fit for his writing. Didn't we have a thread discussing his and Steranko's innovations ?
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Post by String on Apr 14, 2018 10:04:35 GMT -5
Is Kirby a top league X-Men artist, on the same level as Byrne, Cockrum or even Jim Lee?
I'm not so sure. Granted, Kirby (and Stan Lee) deserves credit for the actual creation of the franchise. Kirby did create some iconic character designs like the blue & gold X costumes (that have been updated sporadically over the decades), Magneto, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, Sentinels. But then again, he gave us Snowy Iceman.
But from what I've seen, Kirby's X-work isn't nearly as celebrated as his other work on FF, Avengers, or even Thor for example. Thus, whenever I do think of the X-Men, Kirby is far from the first popular artist that I think of in association with the franchise.
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Post by berkley on Apr 14, 2018 17:42:42 GMT -5
As someone who read Starlin from his first Ironman story through Capt. Marvel to Warlock, I always felt his artwork was the best fit for his writing. Didn't we have a thread discussing his and Steranko's innovations ? Yes, I'd agree - up to the late 70s or early 80s. After that, his artwork changed somehow and I've never cared for it since. Still love all the early stuff, though.
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Post by kirby101 on Apr 14, 2018 19:47:03 GMT -5
Is Kirby a top league X-Men artist, on the same level as Byrne, Cockrum or even Jim Lee? I'm not so sure. Granted, Kirby (and Stan Lee) deserves credit for the actual creation of the franchise. Kirby did create some iconic character designs like the blue & gold X costumes (that have been updated sporadically over the decades), Magneto, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, Sentinels. But then again, he gave us Snowy Iceman. But from what I've seen, Kirby's X-work isn't nearly as celebrated as his other work on FF, Avengers, or even Thor for example. Thus, whenever I do think of the X-Men, Kirby is far from the first popular artist that I think of in association with the franchise. Kirby only worked on the X-Men for the first 17 issues, and it looked like he did more layouts than pencils. His inkers/finishers weren't that good either. And while he and Stan did create the main characters for the book, Magneto, the Sentinals, the Brotherhood....he didn't have the lasting impact he did with the FF and Thor. The X-Men was never a main stay book in the Silver Age until the rebirth with Wein and Claremont. It was mostly on the verge of being cancelled. The Adams/Thomas run was the highlight of the first series.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Apr 23, 2018 18:11:38 GMT -5
Even more annoying than characters being brought back from the dead thanks to remarkably unlikely reasons are characters brought back from the dead with no explanation whatsoever, probably due to the simple fact that nobody bothered to check said character’s status.
Case in point: Donald Pierce, from the X-Men comics. His wiki page states that he went through several unexplained resurrections.
He should have stayed dead when Logan first killed him.
There! I said it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 21:14:28 GMT -5
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Post by tarkintino on Apr 24, 2018 4:17:12 GMT -5
The Adams/Thomas run was the highlight of the first series. It was their work that for the first time, made the X-Men feel like a real part of the then-developing (maturing) Marvel universe, and not those simple character archetypes from the early years.
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Post by Cei-U! on Apr 24, 2018 7:48:45 GMT -5
I always loved those scenes in The Defenders where Dr. Strange would cast a spell on The Hulk to give him white skin and brown hair. Because noboby will notice a 7-foot-tall, 1,000-pound, savage muscleman as long as he's not green, right?
Cei-U! I summon the dye job!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 9:29:21 GMT -5
I always loved those scenes in The Defenders where Dr. Strange would cast a spell on The Hulk to give him white skin and brown hair. Because noboby will notice a 7-foot-tall, 1,000-pound, savage muscleman as long as he's not green, right? Cei-U! I summon the dye job! Right!
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Post by Icctrombone on May 11, 2018 12:15:27 GMT -5
More often than not, whenever a real superstar artist is doing covers for a series, the interiors are really subpar.
There I said it.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 11, 2018 12:17:38 GMT -5
More often than not, whenever a real superstar artist is doing covers for a series, the interiors are really subpar. There I said it. *coughcough* INVADERS *cough*
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 11:39:41 GMT -5
Douglas Adams had three rules on technology...
I think these apply equally well to comics and comic fans-
1. Anything in comics when you started reading comics as a kid is ordinary & natural.
2. Anything introduced into comics between when you're 15 and 35 is new. exciting and revolutionary.
3. Anything introduced into comics after you are 35 is against the natural order of things.
Unfortunately, far too many comic tend to skip stage 2 and go right into stage three as soon as they get a grasp of what the comic landscape is.
There I said it.
-M
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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 16, 2018 11:41:53 GMT -5
Douglas Adams had three rules on technology... I think these apply equally well to comics and comic fans- 1. Anything in comics when you started reading comics as a kid is ordinary & natural. 2. Anything introduced into comics between when you're 15 and 35 is new. exciting and revolutionary. 3. Anything introduced into comics after you are 35 is against the natural order of things. Unfortunately, far too many comic tend to skip stage 2 and go right into stage three as soon as they get a grasp of what the comic landscape is. There I said it. -M Overall I agree. However, with number two and comics I think that the upper limit is no more than 20 give or take a couple of years.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 11:53:53 GMT -5
Douglas Adams had three rules on technology... I think these apply equally well to comics and comic fans- 1. Anything in comics when you started reading comics as a kid is ordinary & natural. 2. Anything introduced into comics between when you're 15 and 35 is new. exciting and revolutionary. 3. Anything introduced into comics after you are 35 is against the natural order of things. Unfortunately, far too many comic tend to skip stage 2 and go right into stage three as soon as they get a grasp of what the comic landscape is. There I said it. -M Overall I agree. However, with number two and comics I think that the upper limit is no more than 20 give or take a couple of years. I could see that, but specifically if you are talking super-hero comics and their fans. Fans of other types of comic don't tend to be as neo-phobic or regressive in their tastes until they get much older. -M
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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 16, 2018 12:07:21 GMT -5
Overall I agree. However, with number two and comics I think that the upper limit is no more than 20 give or take a couple of years. I could see that, but specifically if you are talking super-hero comics and their fans. Fans of other types of comic don't tend to be as neo-phobic or regressive in their tastes until they get much older. -M As we well know...comics means superhero comics by default. Otherwise you're not a Real Fan™.
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