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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jul 12, 2018 14:22:53 GMT -5
I had the hardest time getting through the Thomas-era Avengers (#47 to I think I gave up around #59). It was like living with a large, dysfunctional family. A lot of shouting, but nothing ever gets done. I thought 50-60ish was the strongest stretch of Thomas' Avengers and everything after that was spotty. John Buscema became less involved and Sal Buscema did a lot of the art, which was not a good trade. I HAVE to recommend the Wasp/Hank Pym wedding story in issue 60 because it has the Circus of Crime in it, but you can probably stop after that.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jul 13, 2018 20:47:26 GMT -5
I have a soft spot for Avengers Annual #2 and #56-on as I started following them as reprints under the Marvel Super Action banner 'back in the day'. There were some good Black Panther stories after the Yellowjacket intro two-parter. I was buying the main non-reprint title at the same time and it was interesting to contrast the two, same with X-Men and the Amazing Adventures banner reprints for the shorter while that lasted.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 13, 2018 21:50:50 GMT -5
I had the hardest time getting through the Thomas-era Avengers (#47 to I think I gave up around #59). It was like living with a large, dysfunctional family. A lot of shouting, but nothing ever gets done. Roy actually began with Avengers 27. No, Roy actually began with Avengers #34, the second part of the story that introduced The Living Laser.
Cei-U! I summon the straightened record!
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Post by brutalis on Jul 16, 2018 7:45:53 GMT -5
Roy actually began with Avengers 27. No, Roy actually began with Avengers #34, the second part of the story that introduced The Living Laser.
Cei-U! I summon the straightened record!
I sit corrected sir! Teach me to do more than just a quick check of my notes. Thank you for the correction oh great and powerful OZ
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Post by Farrar on Jul 16, 2018 9:46:18 GMT -5
Roy actually began with Avengers 27. No, Roy actually began with Avengers #34, the second part of the story that introduced The Living Laser.
Cei-U! I summon the straightened record!
Actually it was Avengers #35.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jul 16, 2018 10:19:23 GMT -5
Something I'm noticing when comparing classic comics (particularly the best superhero/genre stuff from the 70's and 80's) to modern superhero comics is that the older writing is often underrated, if not superior in depth, to the modern stuff. I think there is too much of a bias against the older style from a modern perspective, which has skewed far too cinematic/screenplay in technique. Much of the uniqueness and even toolset (thought balloons, exposition that got you into the psyche of the characters, focused action scenes*, etc.) of the superhero comic at its zenith has been lost in my eyes.
*One of my pet peeves. Modern superhero writers have this annoying habit of having fight scenes where the protagonist is thinking about everything but the task at hand. "It's tough being me. I really should have went shopping this morning. I wonder if Jennifer will call me back?" Baff! Spiff! Pow! It seems to me that writers are using this as a substitute for captions and thought balloons which smacks of pretension when used all the time (I'm NOT saying that this style doesn't have its place it just seems ubiquitous nowadays.). Contrast this to "classic" superhero fights and every bit of dialog, balloon and caption is all about the current scene.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 16, 2018 13:26:17 GMT -5
No, Roy actually began with Avengers #34, the second part of the story that introduced The Living Laser.
Cei-U! I summon the straightened record!
Actually it was Avengers #35.
You are correct, sir! (In my defense, I thought I'd typed 35 but my discalculia struck again.)
Cei-U! Aaaaarrghhh! NUMBERS!
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 16, 2018 22:15:38 GMT -5
Something I'm noticing when comparing classic comics (particularly the best superhero/genre stuff from the 70's and 80's) to modern superhero comics is that the older writing is often underrated, if not superior in depth, to the modern stuff. I think there is too much of a bias against the older style from a modern perspective, which has skewed far too cinematic/screenplay in technique. Much of the uniqueness and even toolset (thought balloons, exposition that got you into the psyche of the characters, focused action scenes*, etc.) of the superhero comic at its zenith has been lost in my eyes. *One of my pet peeves. Modern superhero writers have this annoying habit of having fight scenes where the protagonist is thinking about everything but the task at hand. "It's tough being me. I really should have went shopping this morning. I wonder if Jennifer will call me back?" Baff! Spiff! Pow! It seems to me that writers are using this as a substitute for captions and thought balloons which smacks of pretension when used all the time (I'm NOT saying that this style doesn't have its place it just seems ubiquitous nowadays.). Contrast this to "classic" superhero fights and every bit of dialog, balloon and caption is all about the current scene. That's likely due to movies and tv being a bigger influence than literature. The 70s and 80s generation came from sci-fi fandom and used a lot of literary devices and drew much inspiration from classic sci-fi and pulp literature. The Image crowd and beyond were purely from visual media, with some exceptions. Guys like Bendis and even James Robinson are big movie buffs and many pattern themselves after guys like Tarantino and Mamet (Bendis' god). Robinson at least has strong literary influences, though he hasn't exercised them as much, in more recent years.
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Post by comicsandwho on Jul 17, 2018 2:13:36 GMT -5
Modern writers 'blur the lines'. Years ago, Spider-Man, Plastic Man, Blue Beetle or ('insert 'wisecracking' hero who's more serious than he seems' here) would throw in 'audible' wisecracks like 'For this, I'm missing 'Sanford and Son'? or 'Can we hurry this up? I have a dental appointment, and I'll need my teeth!', which would be alongside our hero thinking, 'Better can the jokes til this fight's over!', shifting to trading dialogue with Dr. Evilbadguy about the fight. Now, writers are probably using 'random dialogue generator' sites to fill in the balloons.
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Post by rberman on Jul 17, 2018 7:05:42 GMT -5
Modern writers 'blur the lines'. Years ago, Spider-Man, Plastic Man, Blue Beetle or ('insert 'wisecracking' hero who's more serious than he seems' here) would throw in 'audible' wisecracks like 'For this, I'm missing 'Sanford and Son'? or 'Can we hurry this up? I have a dental appointment, and I'll need my teeth!', which would be alongside our hero thinking, 'Better can the jokes til this fight's over!', shifting to trading dialogue with Dr. Evilbadguy about the fight. Now, writers are probably using 'random dialogue generator' sites to fill in the balloons. Can you post a picture of the sort of dialogue exchange you're thinking of?
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Post by Confessor on Jul 17, 2018 7:38:44 GMT -5
Modern writers 'blur the lines'. Years ago, Spider-Man, Plastic Man, Blue Beetle or ('insert 'wisecracking' hero who's more serious than he seems' here) would throw in 'audible' wisecracks like 'For this, I'm missing 'Sanford and Son'? or 'Can we hurry this up? I have a dental appointment, and I'll need my teeth!', which would be alongside our hero thinking, 'Better can the jokes til this fight's over!', shifting to trading dialogue with Dr. Evilbadguy about the fight. Now, writers are probably using 'random dialogue generator' sites to fill in the balloons. Can you post a picture of the sort of dialogue exchange you're thinking of? You see that kind of fight dialogue in Spider-Man punch-ups throughout the 60s, 70s and 80s.
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Post by rberman on Jul 17, 2018 7:47:55 GMT -5
Can you post a picture of the sort of dialogue exchange you're thinking of? You see that kind of fight dialogue in Spider-Man punch-ups throughout the 60s, 70s and 80s. I was not clear. I was asking for an example of the modern fight scene that he finds bothersome. Spider-Man was known for cracking wise during his fights, of course. That sort of character use of dialogue is far preferable to the expository dialogue that most heroes got saddled with. Can you imagine if every fight's dialogue was "Now I shall use these web shooters filled with fluid that I, being a boy scientist, developed myself!" "Good thing I have the proportional strength and reflexes of a spider, or that flying chimney would have pulverized me!" But with some heroes, there was too much of that for my tastes in the Bronze Age.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 17, 2018 8:04:57 GMT -5
That type of dialogue was for new readers.
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Post by brutalis on Jul 17, 2018 8:40:39 GMT -5
Aquaman smells like a fish market. There. I said it.
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Post by kirby101 on Jul 17, 2018 8:43:01 GMT -5
No he smells like the Beach.
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