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Post by Reptisaurus! on Nov 25, 2015 19:04:06 GMT -5
And, let's face it, the parts of Marvel's Thor that were not ripped off from Superman were ripped off from either Captain Marvel or Captain Marvel Junior.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Nov 25, 2015 19:53:11 GMT -5
That one was pretty pretty good I thought.
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 25, 2015 20:04:19 GMT -5
I wonder if this might not be a translation problem. "Conservative" and "traditional" are related, but not the same, Arthur, and I wonder if you mean the latter rather than the former. "Conservative" can suggest "narrow-minded," while "traditional" and "classic" are more similar. I guess it's a little bit of both in a way. For me, conservative mostly means reluctant to go outside your comfort zone. Which I understand, the world is mostly like that. I'm conservative myself when I indulge in my reflexes to dismiss most regular superhero titles from the 70ies, because I rarely find it as challenging as the works that made me passionate about the craft in the medium. Yet, sometimes I force myself into it willingly, to various results. Being on those boards is a good way to fight those reflexes as the more you expose yourself to hte "unknown", the more it becomes familiar. I have little to zero interest in Star Wars in general and find the movies painfully juvenile, yet I take great interest in Confessor's thread about the Marvel series and already noticed thanks to it a couple of issues I might want to check myself (I'm a sucker for Al Williamson, as many of us here...) I think you do splendidly expressing yourself in what for you is a third language, and for the record, I thought you were making fun of yourself with the "big word" comment when I read it. You may be overthinking the contest results, though. I can tell you that I generally do enjoy almost all of the covers, and thus find the voting difficult because there are so many worthy entries. Look at the Tribute covers, for instance. I liked the one you nominated, but I saw it as more of an inside joke for comics fans than a tribute to Stan, Jack and/or the FF. Others may have seen the one I nominated as corny propaganda. (It was, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a fun cover to show everyone.) No harm, no foul.
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Post by gothos on Nov 25, 2015 20:06:47 GMT -5
Michael Keaton's Batman is only good if you assume he's playing someone other than Batman. No character growth over 2 movies, and last I checked Batman wasn't supposed to enjoy casually murdering people. Batman '89 and Returns don't have Batman in them, they have a psychotic sociopath who happens to wear a bat costume. The Burton-Keaton Batman strikes me less as a sociopath than as a hard-ass Dirty Harry, filtered through a Bugs Bunny cartoon.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Nov 25, 2015 20:13:50 GMT -5
You may be overthinking the contest results, though. I'm sure I am, but again I expressed that in this very thread, where people express their hate for characters I'm sure they actually don't really mind And thanks for the kind words on my english and how I'm not completly making a fool of myself with its use. If I did, I could blame it all on comic books though, as this is where I learned most of it...
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 25, 2015 20:19:39 GMT -5
You may be overthinking the contest results, though. I'm sure I am, but again I expressed that in this very thread, where people express their hate for characters I'm sure they actually don't really mind And thanks for the kind words on my english and how I'm not completly making a fool of myself with its use. If I did, I could blame it all on comic books though, as this is where I learned most of it... Comics am good for you!
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Post by berkley on Nov 25, 2015 20:32:31 GMT -5
I've said this before but I find the concept of the original Captain Marvel more than a little creepy: the power of the gods in the hands of a twelve year old boy? Given the level of impulse control of children at that age this is a disturbing thought, like a machine gun in the hands of a child soldier. The standard response is that he has the Wisdom of Solomon to guide him, but somehow doesn't allay my feelings.
I've come to dislike the Hulk for similar reasons: immense physical strength combined with the intellect of a child prone to temper tantrums? Not something to feel good about, it seems to me.
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 25, 2015 20:40:03 GMT -5
Have you read any of his '40s stuff? Honestly, I don't think the character ever worked since DC bought him. And it's interesting to see how Superman started copying Captain Marvel (who was, to be fair, a copy of SUperman) almost immediately. (Although I didn't read the '90 series which some people speak very highly of.) I read the various reprints from the DC stuff. It just didn't do it for me.
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 25, 2015 20:45:18 GMT -5
And, let's face it, the parts of Marvel's Thor that were not ripped off from Superman were ripped off from either Captain Marvel or Captain Marvel Junior. Ha. I don't agree. By the Bristling beard of Odin, Taking up arms against mine avatar will avail thee not. The Golden realm doth place the noble Asgardians tales above the various Quests that the Big Red cheese hath embarked on.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Nov 25, 2015 21:07:05 GMT -5
Oh. I'm so sorry.
I didn't realize you were a TOTALLY ORIGINAL lame guy who gets struck by magic lightning and gains God powers and was drawn by Jack Kirby. What a strange coincidence that that is the exact same set up as Captain Marvel/Junior!
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 25, 2015 21:49:18 GMT -5
Oh. I'm so sorry. I didn't realize you were a TOTALLY ORIGINAL lame guy who gets struck by magic lightning and gains God powers and was drawn by Jack Kirby. What a strange coincidence that that is the exact same set up as Captain Marvel/Junior! Too be fair, the only time Kirby worked on Captain Marvel was in Captain Marvel Adventures #1. And Cap was already a hit by that time.
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Post by berkley on Nov 25, 2015 23:12:51 GMT -5
Oh. I'm so sorry. I didn't realize you were a TOTALLY ORIGINAL lame guy who gets struck by magic lightning and gains God powers and was drawn by Jack Kirby. What a strange coincidence that that is the exact same set up as Captain Marvel/Junior! The key thing about Marvel's Thor, though, is that the further they moved away from the original Superman and Captain Marvel derived aspects the better the series became. So I don't see those aspects as essential to the character - on the contrary, the character only came into its own once they got rid of Don Blake, secret identity, and all that stuff, which is another reason why the current version is a regression not the progression everyone seems to think it is.
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Post by Warmonger on Nov 26, 2015 6:40:02 GMT -5
Michael Keaton's Batman is only good if you assume he's playing someone other than Batman. No character growth over 2 movies, and last I checked Batman wasn't supposed to enjoy casually murdering people. Batman '89 and Returns don't have Batman in them, they have a psychotic sociopath who happens to wear a bat costume. The Burton-Keaton Batman strikes me less as a sociopath than as a hard-ass Dirty Harry, filtered through a Bugs Bunny cartoon. I actually like Keaton's Batman the best out of all the mainstream movie adaptations. Christian Bale plays a great Bruce Wayne, but that damn death metal growl as Batman is ridiculous.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Nov 26, 2015 7:25:09 GMT -5
I would say it's an unpopular opinion to be indifferent or "meh" in regards to Watchmen. I realize it's importance and impact historically, like Shakespeare, but I've never been more than entertained on all the readings I've done. For me it's like re-watching Citizen Kane over Beast From 20,000 Fathoms. The later may not be in as high of regard as the former but I enjoy it more.
I also have not read the Black Freighter part to this day.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Nov 26, 2015 7:34:00 GMT -5
The Burton-Keaton Batman strikes me less as a sociopath than as a hard-ass Dirty Harry, filtered through a Bugs Bunny cartoon. I actually like Keaton's Batman the best out of all the mainstream movie adaptations. Christian Bale plays a great Bruce Wayne, but that damn death metal growl as Batman is ridiculous. If anything all Bale did was play his character from American Psycho in Batman. Being a dick is what he does. Burton got the atmosphere and feel of Gotham and the characters even if you want to argue whether the actors or actresses portrayed them well. But I will admit that Returns falls far shorter of the first doing mostly due to Penguin horrible mischaracterization. But there were other faults too. But Batman is second only to Mask of the Phantasm.
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