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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 15:19:55 GMT -5
DC's current "multi-multiverse" is a redundant headache. I'm often behind. What's the story?
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 23, 2019 15:52:15 GMT -5
Comic book history will not be justly served until all Marvel Family Fawcett comics are reprinted in hardcover - unadulterated. We can suss out what's "problematic" about some of them and still enjoy them for the unbridled fun they are. They were some of the best and most popular comic books of the 1940s and deserve to be seen. Unfortunately , this world has gotten to a point where all history is being rewritten to make people comfortable. All the racist elements in those stories will probably never see the light of day.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Feb 23, 2019 16:25:27 GMT -5
Comic book history will not be justly served until all Marvel Family Fawcett comics are reprinted in hardcover - unadulterated. We can suss out what's "problematic" about some of them and still enjoy them for the unbridled fun they are. They were some of the best and most popular comic books of the 1940s and deserve to be seen. Unfortunately , this world has gotten to a point where all history is being rewritten to make people comfortable. All the racist elements in those stories will probably never see the light of day. Yeah, I hate that! Of course comics from the '40s are products of their time! Comics from 2018 will seem backward and retrograde in 100 years. I really do respect Marvel for publishing, say, Young Allies (featuring Whitewash Jones who can *ahem* "make a harmonica talk and a watermelon disappear.")_ Honestly, I think it's important to understand the history of racism in our culture to better grock the present day politics of Obama and Trump. Censorship doesn't accomplish anything.
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Post by Duragizer on Feb 23, 2019 20:11:56 GMT -5
DC's current "multi-multiverse" is a redundant headache. I'm often behind. What's the story? The 52-Earth multiverse now co-exists alongside a "Dark Multiverse" of 52 negative-numbered Earths, the restored pre- Crisis multiverse, the Antimatter Universe, and whatever multiverses the various TV shows, movies, etc. exist in. Like I said, redundant.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 14:05:10 GMT -5
Thanks, although my head hurts.
The "Dark Multiverse" sounds fun (just the sound of it), but like you said, redundant.
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 25, 2019 10:43:34 GMT -5
It's dopey that Marvel and DC still refuse to do anymore Crossovers. This doesn't' seem to be a problem with other companies. Even DC is crossing over with the makers of TMNT.
Is it a corporate decision as to not "help" the competitors Movie Franchises?
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Post by MDG on Feb 25, 2019 11:33:13 GMT -5
It's dopey that Marvel and DC still refuse to do anymore Crossovers. This doesn't' seem to be a problem with other companies. Even DC is crossing over with the makers of TMNT. Is it a corporate decision as to not "help" the competitors Movie Franchises? When Who Framed Roger Rabbit? was made, there were a lot of Warner/Disney negotiations around how much screen time Bug vs Mickey and Daffy vs Donald would get, ending with them being in the same scenes for the exact same amount of time, number of lines, etc.
Would a crossover book today have to meet similar requirements?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 13:25:21 GMT -5
It's dopey that Marvel and DC still refuse to do anymore Crossovers. This doesn't' seem to be a problem with other companies. Even DC is crossing over with the makers of TMNT. Is it a corporate decision as to not "help" the competitors Movie Franchises? 2016 was the fortieth anniversary of Superman VS The Amazing Spider-Man. That would have been the perfect time to do another Supes/Spidey crossover. We'd already had two. Three is a good number - we love trilogies, right? - so to see just one more team-up between them, to commemorate the 1976 crossover, would have been pretty cool. Oh well, DC/Marvel should do a Batman/Hulk crossover in 2039...
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Post by rberman on Feb 25, 2019 13:27:30 GMT -5
Yeah, I didn't get the fuss over the Fleisher cartoons either. Rotoscoping looks cool, and the public was gaga over anything involving Superman. It was either that or go outside and throw a rock against a wall for fun, so...
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Post by rberman on Feb 25, 2019 13:29:22 GMT -5
I'm often behind. What's the story? The 52-Earth multiverse now co-exists alongside a "Dark Multiverse" of 52 negative-numbered Earths, the restored pre- Crisis multiverse, the Antimatter Universe, and whatever multiverses the various TV shows, movies, etc. exist in. Like I said, redundant. Limiting the multiverse to 52 worlds was catchy for publicity but dumb for creativity. There have certainly been more than 50 imaginary stories told, so why limit the multiverse to only recognizing some of them? It just made the multiverse look small, when it should look endless.
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Post by MDG on Feb 25, 2019 14:38:27 GMT -5
Yeah, I didn't get the fuss over the Fleisher cartoons either. Rotoscoping looks cool, and the public was gaga over anything involving Superman. It was either that or go outside and throw a rock against a wall for fun, so... It's not just the rotoscope or that it was close to the only "realistic" (not funny animals/people) use of animation to that point. The design, backgrounds, color and head-on action were for me--and I'd guess others who first saw these in the 70s--a revelation compared to the cheapjack productions and/or blandness we'd come to expect from superhero cartoons on TV: HB, Filmation, Bakshi Spider-man, Grantray-Lawrence.
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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 25, 2019 15:04:09 GMT -5
Rotoscoping looks cool, and the public was gaga over anything involving Superman. It was either that or go outside and throw a rock against a wall for fun, so... It's not just the rotoscope or that it was close to the only "realistic" (not funny animals/people) use of animation to that point. The design, backgrounds, color and head-on action were for me--and I'd guess others who first saw these in the 70s--a revelation compared to the cheapjack productions and/or blandness we'd come to expect from superhero cartoons on TV: HB, Filmation, Bakshi Spider-man, Grantray-Lawrence. And the stories were fun, too. No morality lessons anywhere to be found.
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Post by brutalis on Feb 25, 2019 15:25:46 GMT -5
It's not just the rotoscope or that it was close to the only "realistic" (not funny animals/people) use of animation to that point. The design, backgrounds, color and head-on action were for me--and I'd guess others who first saw these in the 70s--a revelation compared to the cheapjack productions and/or blandness we'd come to expect from superhero cartoons on TV: HB, Filmation, Bakshi Spider-man, Grantray-Lawrence. And the stories were fun, too. No morality lessons anywhere to be found. They had morality lessons. Don't waste your bullets on Superman. You won't escape from Superman. You will get caught or stopped by Superman. Don't mess with Superman's gal Lois. Don't piss off Superman.
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 25, 2019 15:27:02 GMT -5
Don't forget, Don't step on Superman's cape.
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Post by Duragizer on Feb 25, 2019 18:37:13 GMT -5
The 52-Earth multiverse now co-exists alongside a "Dark Multiverse" of 52 negative-numbered Earths, the restored pre- Crisis multiverse, the Antimatter Universe, and whatever multiverses the various TV shows, movies, etc. exist in. Like I said, redundant. Limiting the multiverse to 52 worlds was catchy for publicity but dumb for creativity. There have certainly been more than 50 imaginary stories told, so why limit the multiverse to only recognizing some of them? It just made the multiverse look small, when it should look endless. I'm not really a fan of infinite multiverses (when you've got, say, a googolplex of universes which only differ from one another on a microscopic level, it kinda trivializes things). But I agree, 52 universes is absurdly few.
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