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Post by tarkintino on Jun 22, 2019 6:18:59 GMT -5
Has Bruce Wayne ever had a recognizable face? I mean, Peter Parker as drawn by Ditko, Andru or Romita is more than “that guy with brown hair”. You’d recognize Peter even if he wore Shang-Chi’s gi. Ditto Reed Richards, or Superman... Both have typical features. But Bruce? Every artist I’ve known draws him as “that handsome dark-haired man who looks serious”. I’d be hard-pressed to recognize Bruce Wayne if he wore a Robin costume, however, while I’m sure that everyone would recognize Perez!s Dick Grayson in the Batman!s cowl. The Kane/Robinson/Sprang/Moldoff Bruce Wayne, with that enormous square chin, is quite recognizable.
Cei-U! I summon the telltale profile!
I would say the same of the Novick, Adams and Aparo Bruce Wayne. No one was going to confuse their versions of Wayne with Hal Jordan, Clark Kent, or anyone else.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2019 15:31:34 GMT -5
I went to a comic fair today (a small one). Did pick up some "New Universe" comics, particularly D.P. 7.
As usual, I'm sad to say that a couple of stereotypes were at the fair.
It took place in a small hall (looked like a church hall, not sure what the building's purpose is). One of the attendees had very strong body odour. Obviously not seen soap and water for a few days, but had a pile of comics in his hand. If you can afford comics, you can afford soap.
If I sound harsh, apologies, but people like that give all of us a bad name. I don't come across it often, but I have occasionally come across comments about comic and sci-fi fans being unhygienic. Thanks for perpetuating that stereotype, dude.
Then there was Mr. Selfish. There were about three of us browsing the back issue boxes. All in A-Z order. And, of course, the usual clown plonks a pile of comics - a lot of them - down on the boxes and starts bartering with the guy running the stall. Now, if it were me, and I have done this, I take a guy to the side and ask him if he has time to speak to me. I certainly don't obstruct other people.
My profession makes me a cynic. I'm treated like garbage at times. People do it to each other. In my cab, they do it to me. And if it isn't people wishing to eat fish and chips in the passenger seat, it's those who leave behind a strong odour that comes from being unfamiliar with soap and water.
I guess the comic stereotype will never go away, whether it's the body odour guy or the selfish clown taking up space/plonking down his tatty comics and treating the stall like his own "personal eBay store".
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 1, 2019 6:26:00 GMT -5
I would totally buy an Avengers # 97 redrawn by Neal Adams if it was released this year, even if it was a 10 dollar book.
There I said it.
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Post by impulse on Jul 1, 2019 9:22:31 GMT -5
I went to a comic fair today (a small one). Did pick up some "New Universe" comics, particularly D.P. 7. As usual, I'm sad to say that a couple of stereotypes were at the fair. It took place in a small hall (looked like a church hall, not sure what the building's purpose is). One of the attendees had very strong body odour. Obviously not seen soap and water for a few days, but had a pile of comics in his hand. If you can afford comics, you can afford soap. If I sound harsh, apologies, but people like that give all of us a bad name. I don't come across it often, but I have occasionally come across comments about comic and sci-fi fans being unhygienic. Thanks for perpetuating that stereotype, dude. Then there was Mr. Selfish. There were about three of us browsing the back issue boxes. All in A-Z order. And, of course, the usual clown plonks a pile of comics - a lot of them - down on the boxes and starts bartering with the guy running the stall. Now, if it were me, and I have done this, I take a guy to the side and ask him if he has time to speak to me. I certainly don't obstruct other people. My profession makes me a cynic. I'm treated like garbage at times. People do it to each other. In my cab, they do it to me. And if it isn't people wishing to eat fish and chips in the passenger seat, it's those who leave behind a strong odour that comes from being unfamiliar with soap and water. I guess the comic stereotype will never go away, whether it's the body odour guy or the selfish clown taking up space/plonking down his tatty comics and treating the stall like his own "personal eBay store". A con I used to attend back in the day one year added an anime/roleplay/action whatever section. Dear lord, you could smell it when you turned the corner.
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Post by tarkintino on Jul 1, 2019 9:41:07 GMT -5
I would totally buy an Avengers # 97 redrawn by Neal Adams if it was released this year, even if it was a 10 dollar book. There I said it. Same here. He's one of the few classic comic artists with a talent that had not degraded to any notable degree over the decades.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 9:44:49 GMT -5
I hate doing this. I hate the perception of fans. I hate that some visual depictions of fans (in, say, cartoons) show a person with a beer belly hanging out over trousers and with bad hygiene.
I don't want that perception. Those are in the minority.
But it was horrible. In the small church hall, I had to move away for a while. The guy next to me, who must have had about 25 comics in his hands (and back issues aren't cheap), had a very strong body odour. I could not help but think, 'You have cash for all those comics but not soap/shower gel?'
Someone I know, who is more into the action genre (he likes martial arts movies), did attend a sci-fi convention once. It pained me, but he said, "With the obesity on display and the body odour, I can't see any of them being around for the bright future promised by sci-fi." A harsh comment - and I hated how he put it - but that's the perception.
In the case of that guy, if you can afford back issues (and just several cost me £22+), then a bottle of shower gel and soap wouldn't go amiss.
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Post by MDG on Jul 1, 2019 10:05:06 GMT -5
I hate doing this. I hate the perception of fans. I hate that some visual depictions of fans (in, say, cartoons) show a person with a beer belly hanging out over trousers and with bad hygiene.... I don't see that (as much) anymore, but it really hate that some of the shows I've been too lately where the crowd really seems to be skewing older and older--and I'm saying this as someone who turned 60 this year.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 1, 2019 10:25:50 GMT -5
For what it's worth, thee were kids and young people aplenty at the Washington State Summer Con a couple of weeks ago, and scarcely any of the Comic Book Guy stereotype. The entusiasm among these young fans was palpable, and they were just as enthusiastic about meeting legends like Steranko, Claremont, Shooter, and Thomas as about more contemporary comics pros. I found the experience tremendously encouraging.
Cei-U! I summon the upside!
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Post by brutalis on Jul 1, 2019 10:37:03 GMT -5
Plenty of all ages at the Phoenix Fan Fest the last several years. Very little of the "Stereotypical Fan" but a bit of reverse prejudice going on at times. Older fans annoyed at kids during convention and younger fans rude or condescending of older fans attending. The times they are a changing and not so changing.
Oddly enough, had several adult Cosplayer's who are part of local official groups who "presumed" when I asked for pics they asked if I was taking them for my kids at home? Also saw many "older" fans who were very happy to stop and pose and talk with little kids but rather abrupt with teenagers or college age.
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Post by badwolf on Jul 1, 2019 11:00:34 GMT -5
I've had a couple stinky experiences like that that I recall. One was at an anime convention in State College, PA. The dealers' room...the stench was strong...but fortunately (?) my obsession for anime and anime-related products was stronger...and I prevailed.
The other memorable time was when I accidentally went into a local comic shop on gaming night to browse...I didn't stay long.
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Post by kirby101 on Jul 1, 2019 11:08:45 GMT -5
I would totally buy an Avengers # 97 redrawn by Neal Adams if it was released this year, even if it was a 10 dollar book. There I said it. I doubt that would ever happened. It wasn't just that Adams was late that they turned to Buscema for the Kree/Skull finale. From what I heard, Adams wanted a much more elaborate story, going on for more issues before it ended.
It would have been great to have Adams finish, but Big John did a great job coming in, and gave us one of the all time classic splash pages.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 13:56:42 GMT -5
I've had a couple stinky experiences like that that I recall. One was at an anime convention in State College, PA. The dealers' room...the stench was strong...but fortunately (?) my obsession for anime and anime-related products was stronger...and I prevailed. The other memorable time was when I accidentally went into a local comic shop on gaming night to browse...I didn't stay long. Glad to know it's not just my experiences! It doesn't affect my day-to-day life. I use soap and water so if I'm at a forum, no-one would have an issue. But if I was dating, would I take my partner to a comic con or let them accompany me? I don't know if I'd want that based on my experiences. Also, any thoughts on the other problem I had with the guy plonking his wares down on the boxes of comics? I have come across this previously. Years ago, I remember talking to a dealer - and some clown just stepped in front of me and said, "Are you buying comics?" The dealer was about to say something (I'm sure), but I got there first: "Excuse me, I'm having a conversation here." Pity the body odour crowd and the selfish sellers don't go and organise their own conventions.
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Post by rberman on Jul 1, 2019 15:20:12 GMT -5
I hate doing this. I hate the perception of fans. I hate that some visual depictions of fans (in, say, cartoons) show a person with a beer belly hanging out over trousers and with bad hygiene. I don't want that perception. Those are in the minority. But it was horrible. In the small church hall, I had to move away for a while. The guy next to me, who must have had about 25 comics in his hands (and back issues aren't cheap), had a very strong body odour. I could not help but think, 'You have cash for all those comics but not soap/shower gel?' Someone I know, who is more into the action genre (he likes martial arts movies), did attend a sci-fi convention once. It pained me, but he said, "With the obesity on display and the body odour, I can't see any of them being around for the bright future promised by sci-fi." A harsh comment - and I hated how he put it - but that's the perception. In the case of that guy, if you can afford back issues (and just several cost me £22+), then a bottle of shower gel and soap wouldn't go amiss. This was what made Shatner embarrassed about Star Trek for years. Eventually he met a different class of fans. They didn’t go to cons, but they worked at NASA.
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Post by impulse on Jul 1, 2019 16:06:46 GMT -5
Yeah, it is definitely not all fans, especially these days, but the stereotype is not unearned in this case.
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Post by Confessor on Jul 1, 2019 17:38:45 GMT -5
[Pity the body odour crowd and the selfish sellers don't go and organise their own conventions. Come to Stinky's Comic Con For Slobs this July! Free entry if you weigh 400lbs and over, or can render a room uninhabitable in less than five minutes with your body odour.
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