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Post by adamwarlock2099 on May 26, 2020 12:43:52 GMT -5
Sometimes I know absolutely nothing about a new book but the artwork alone gets my curiousity piqued.
There, I said it.
That gal looks like she got a lot of influence from Joe Chiodo's style.
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Post by Prince Hal on May 26, 2020 13:13:26 GMT -5
Sometimes I know absolutely nothing about a new book but the artwork alone gets my curiousity piqued.
There, I said it.
That gal looks like she got a lot of influence from Joe Chiodo's style. Or Bill Ward's.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 13:33:11 GMT -5
Sometimes I know absolutely nothing about a new book but the artwork alone gets my curiousity piqued.
There, I said it.
Don't let Richard Meyer know a woman bought one of is comics, he would be appalled. He is one of the architects and leading spokesman for the Comic Gate community and pretty much believes there's no room for women in comics as anything other than cheesecake/objects of lust. -M
Part 2...the pair actually got a decent write-up in certain quarters....
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on May 26, 2020 14:47:05 GMT -5
That gal looks like she got a lot of influence from Joe Chiodo's style. Or Bill Ward's. I can see that too now. Good eye.
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Post by Prince Hal on May 26, 2020 15:55:02 GMT -5
I can see that too now. Good eye. Thanks. You can see why I didn't post any examples.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on May 26, 2020 19:18:43 GMT -5
I can see that too now. Good eye. Thanks. You can see why I didn't post any examples. Yeah as soon as I saw the first google image result I was like “oh him!” I’ve seen his comics before and yeah good call on that. 😀
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Post by rberman on May 29, 2020 12:29:43 GMT -5
Apparently there's a comic-collecting niche that likes to buy individual pages from classic books....as in taking a lower-graded book, then actually tearing out its pages and selling those individually (like the splash page). So someone can say they have a genuine page from [insert title] #1.
Not my cup of tea at all.
There, i said it.
There's a thriving market for individual pages of the original art. Tearing apart copies of printed copies is weirder since it inherently damages them; must be pretty niche.
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Post by beccabear67 on May 29, 2020 12:58:39 GMT -5
I've seen people list old magazine ads taken out of some old magazine with silly prices on them (to me) many times. Also old pop star pin-ups or clippings from teen and music mags. If I really wanted an image from something I'd get it scanned in and print out in best quality color and probably enlarged. I still have a stack of b&w 11x17" enlargements I made from old comics before I sold them (but then I owned a photocopier for awhile back then that could do that). Also copies from old original art owners were kind enough to make for me. Somewhere I have a really cool color blow-up I did of the cover of X-Men #168 printed in four pieces years ago on a high-end printer... I planned to cut them so there'd be one really large image, like I did with a large Hokusai print in two parts once, but I can't remember where I put them! I guess it would be something a bit under 22" x 34" or almost two feet by three feet.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 13:24:00 GMT -5
Apparently there's a comic-collecting niche that likes to buy individual pages from classic books....as in taking a lower-graded book, then actually tearing out its pages and selling those individually (like the splash page). So someone can say they have a genuine page from [insert title] #1. Not my cup of tea at all. There, i said it.
There's a thriving market for individual pages of the original art. Tearing apart copies of printed copies is weirder since it inherently damages them; must be pretty niche. My guess is that the single pages are leftovers from dealers who Frankenstein books. If you don't know what Frankensteining books is, and you buy older comics, you need to learn. There are dealers out there who take several low grade copies of the same book and pull them apart putting back together the best parts of them to make a higher grade book and pass it off as an original at the higher grade to get better prices on it. There was a bit of controversy a couple years ago when a high grade 'Tec 27 up for auction at Heritage was alleged to be a Frankensteined copy and several sources told the seller and auction appraiser that before auction and were ignored. Once the Frankensteined copy is slabbed and certified by CGC or CBCS, it is virtually impossible to prove its lack of provenance and much easier to pass off as a genuine copy of the book. It started with people just putting better covers on books to present better and evolved into putting a book together wrap by wrap to make it more sellable. When there are leftover pages/wraps form the process, you get those slabbed as well and sell them too. -M
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Post by Icctrombone on May 29, 2020 13:36:42 GMT -5
Wow, is there a scam that hasn't been done yet ?
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Post by rberman on May 29, 2020 13:40:04 GMT -5
Wow, is there a scam that hasn't been done yet ? I was amazed when I found out that it was an accepted practice for auction houses to make "chandelier bids" in which the auctioneer pretends that someone in the back of the room (perhaps sitting in the ballroom chandelier) raised the bid, when really nobody was bidding. That ought to be prosecuted as fraud. www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-auction-house-buzzwords-new-collectors
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Post by Batflunkie on May 29, 2020 14:44:20 GMT -5
My guess is that the single pages are leftovers from dealers who Frankenstein books. If you don't know what Frankensteining books is, and you buy older comics, you need to learn. There are dealers out there who take several low grade copies of the same book and pull them apart putting back together the best parts of them to make a higher grade book and pass it off as an original at the higher grade to get better prices on it. There was a bit of controversy a couple years ago when a high grade 'Tec 27 up for auction at Heritage was alleged to be a Frankensteined copy and several sources told the seller and auction appraiser that before auction and were ignored. Once the Frankensteined copy is slabbed and certified by CGC or CBCS, it is virtually impossible to prove its lack of provenance and much easier to pass off as a genuine copy of the book. It started with people just putting better covers on books to present better and evolved into putting a book together wrap by wrap to make it more sellable. When there are leftover pages/wraps form the process, you get those slabbed as well and sell them too. I'm utterly baffled by what I just read, not that I wouldn't put it passed people to do something like that. That's like shattering a rare vase on purpose and then hot gluing it back together
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 15:27:24 GMT -5
I *CAN* see an unscrupulous dealer removing a wrap which had a Marvel Value Stamp cut out, and replacing it with a wrap from another book, then smiling at customers sweetly.
Oh man, I'd slap the yellow out of his teeth so damn fast....
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Post by impulse on May 29, 2020 16:16:47 GMT -5
To play devil's advocate... if someone takes two copies of the same issue from the same original publication run and swaps the covers, and it is done so well no one can tell, even experts... does it really matter? It's effectively still a copy of the 1972 issue of Hero Man # XXX with all the originally published pages from the same print run.
After it's changed hands a couple times, no one has any way ever ever being able to differentiate. Does it matter?
(this is hyopthetical, don't slap me)
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Post by Batflunkie on May 29, 2020 17:04:49 GMT -5
I *CAN* see an unscrupulous dealer removing a wrap which had a Marvel Value Stamp cut out, and replacing it with a wrap from another book, then smiling at customers sweetly.
Oh man, I'd slap the yellow out of his teeth so damn fast....
Not to change subjects but was there even a real purpose for the Marvel Value Stamp? Or was it just collecting for the sake of collecting?
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