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Post by profh0011 on Jul 28, 2021 17:38:26 GMT -5
I think I've read ONE Warren Ellis comic in my entire life. I couldn't even tell you what it was. I just know it was so unpleasant I decided right away, that was enough.
Then about 15 years later my best friend sent me a Tv pilot of something he was involved in, and it was SO MUCH WORSE, I was somehow not surprised when I saw his name pop up in the end credits. OY!!
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 28, 2021 17:45:32 GMT -5
Warren Ellis wrote Planetary. That was a good book.
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Post by badwolf on Jul 28, 2021 19:01:52 GMT -5
And Hellblazer.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 29, 2021 6:23:04 GMT -5
Ultimates was ok, but it really felt like a rehash of what Ellis and Hitch had done on the Authority just a few years prior down to Hitch recycling layouts in that cinematic stacked page style he developed for the Authority. It was Authority with Marvel characters inserted, nothing new or even very creative on Millar's end, just swiping the tone and feel of a very popular groundbreaking run and doing it "Marvel style" with the shock and awe turned up to 11 to get people to talk about it. Ultimately it was forgettable and pedestrian for me. -M Everything you will read is a twist of something that has come before.
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Post by DubipR on Jul 29, 2021 7:20:10 GMT -5
Warren Ellis wrote Planetary. That was a good book. As is Transmetropolitan.
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Post by tonebone on Jul 29, 2021 7:26:31 GMT -5
Warren Ellis wrote Planetary. That was a good book. Planetary is extraordinary. One of the best comics I have ever read.
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Post by tonebone on Jul 29, 2021 7:34:10 GMT -5
Yeah, I really only read the Ultimates. I heard Ultimate X-Men was atrocious, and the first issue of Ultimates 3 was so bad, I was pretty much done with it by then. I heard Ultimate Spidey was good, too, but I didn't read it. Me too. Totally. The early issues of Ultimate Spider-Man were good. Then, at some point Bendis realized he was THE Bendis and it all just became talking heads and rehashing plots. But the first 13-15 issues were great. The first issue of Ultimates 3 was so bad. One of the worst things I have ever read. Even the art and coloring were terrible. I did enjoy 1 and 2, while I was reading them, but I agree with others that it was more of a novelty, and in the long run, forgettable. Actually, I think it would have been better if Millar had pulled a Watchmen, and created proxy characters of the Avengers that he could do what he wanted with. The most jarring thing about it was that most of the "heroes" were bitter, jaded, mean assholes.
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Post by kirby101 on Jul 29, 2021 8:33:47 GMT -5
The early issues of Ultimate Spider-Man were good. Then, at some point Bendis realized he was THE Bendis and it all just became talking heads and rehashing plots. But the first 13-15 issues were great. The first issue of Ultimates 3 was so bad. One of the worst things I have ever read. Even the art and coloring were terrible. I did enjoy 1 and 2, while I was reading them, but I agree with others that it was more of a novelty, and in the long run, forgettable. Actually, I think it would have been better if Millar had pulled a Watchmen, and created proxy characters of the Avengers that he could do what he wanted with. The most jarring thing about it was that most of the "heroes" were bitter, jaded, mean assholes. Ultimates 3 was written by Jeph Loeb, and it was indeed awful. Especially compared to what Millar did before that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 9:14:32 GMT -5
Ultimates was ok, but it really felt like a rehash of what Ellis and Hitch had done on the Authority just a few years prior down to Hitch recycling layouts in that cinematic stacked page style he developed for the Authority. It was Authority with Marvel characters inserted, nothing new or even very creative on Millar's end, just swiping the tone and feel of a very popular groundbreaking run and doing it "Marvel style" with the shock and awe turned up to 11 to get people to talk about it. Ultimately it was forgettable and pedestrian for me. -M Everything you will read is a twist of something that has come before. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, and the haven of the uncreative looking to make a buck. -M
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Post by impulse on Jul 29, 2021 9:32:12 GMT -5
I think the entire Ultimate concept was tied to a specific time and has run its course. Like a lot of things highly tied to a particular time, it likely hasn't aged well.
I tried to reread Ultimates 1.0 and I keep getting bored.
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Post by kirby101 on Jul 29, 2021 9:41:01 GMT -5
We owe our eternal thanks to Millar and Hitch for at least one thing. They gave us this version of Nick Fury which led to one of the greatest fan service castings in movie history.
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Post by tonebone on Jul 29, 2021 10:45:02 GMT -5
We owe our eternal thanks to Millar and Hitch for at least one thing. They gave us this version of Nick Fury which led to one of the greatest fan service castings in movie history. That Upper/Lower case comics lettering is so early-2000's-Marvel, and is an affront to everything I hold dear. It is as close to Comics Sans as anything I have ever seen in a comic, and tainted Marvel's output for almost a decade... It's the worst.
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Post by tonebone on Jul 29, 2021 10:46:14 GMT -5
The early issues of Ultimate Spider-Man were good. Then, at some point Bendis realized he was THE Bendis and it all just became talking heads and rehashing plots. But the first 13-15 issues were great. The first issue of Ultimates 3 was so bad. One of the worst things I have ever read. Even the art and coloring were terrible. I did enjoy 1 and 2, while I was reading them, but I agree with others that it was more of a novelty, and in the long run, forgettable. Actually, I think it would have been better if Millar had pulled a Watchmen, and created proxy characters of the Avengers that he could do what he wanted with. The most jarring thing about it was that most of the "heroes" were bitter, jaded, mean assholes. Ultimates 3 was written by Jeph Loeb, and it was indeed awful. Especially compared to what Millar did before that. Yeah I was shocked at the time that it was Loeb.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 29, 2021 10:50:45 GMT -5
I had issues with Ultimates, largely due to his shock value scenes and the way he portrayed some of the characters. It softened, a bit, when I read the whole thing (since it came out rather slowly, at points); but, the Wanda and Pietro relationship was not necessary and I really, really hated the transformation of Hank Pym into a serial abuser, rather than a man who struggled with mental breakdowns who had an incident of violence. I wasn't happy with making Captain America super strong and able to free-fall from aircrafts and the personality he gave him was steeped in stereotypes of what Millar seemed to think of an American of the WW2 generation, based on movies. By the end I could see where he was going with things, satirizing the Bush Administration and the falsehoods of the hunt for WMDs and the over-the-top rhetoric that came from spokespeople and especially conservative pundits. Still, it left a bad taste in my mouth and soured me on the book that I dropped it and only came back to it later, after some time had passed. His intent was clearer in the complete work, than in monthly doses); but, I still didn't care for the obvious "shock value" stunts. It was a totally “what if?” Alternate universe. It was very enjoyable. To me, it came across as "What If everyone was a complete Richard, had seen too many Tarantino films, and stretched a 3 issue plot into 6 or more issue?" Your mileage may vary. That said, I would agree it was the highpoint of the Ultimate line, apart from those early Spidey issues. I don't have a problem with "alternate universe" changes, so much as the choices Millar made for those alternate versions. Too many made for cheap sensationalism. If people really enjoy it, more power to them. I was just more "Eh, it's okay." Not a fan of "decompression" and that was loaded with it.
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Post by impulse on Jul 29, 2021 11:39:10 GMT -5
Ultimates 3 was written by Jeph Loeb, and it was indeed awful. Especially compared to what Millar did before that. Yeah I was shocked at the time that it was Loeb. That was also only a few years after his son's tragic and untimely passing, so I am sure he was not on top of his game at the time, either. In the grand scheme of things, it was just a comic book I didn't like, so no major stakes from a reader standpoint. I hope Mr. Loeb was able to extract some small amount of distraction or comfort out of the process of throwing himself into his work.
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