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Post by codystarbuck on Sept 22, 2021 18:44:26 GMT -5
I'm about to switch to digital for my comics enjoyment. Living in Los Angeles, my studio apartment can only fit so much. I have a large bookcase entirely filled with Omnibuses from DC and Marvel, and a filing cabinet nearly full of Marvel Epic Collections (I don't collect floppies any more...my entire collection was thrown out by my aunt in the late 90s.) There just isn't any room left for more books once that filing cabinet reaches capacity. While I prefer physical copies for my comic book reading, I am quite happy with how comics are displayed on my iPad Pro 12.9". I've been digital (more or less) for about a decade and I wouldn't go back, just from a storage standpoint. I still love the feel and smell of paper; but, I live in an apartment. If I owned a house, designed to my specifications, then I would have one killer library of books and comics (and dvds). Space has led to being not too precious about a lot of print material (comics and books), while digital gives me what I love most about those physical things: the stories (and art). I now have an external hard drive with a collection that would have needed enough long boxes to build a house out of just them. It also makes finding a specific comic or story a hell of a lot easier, as it is just a click away, vs thumbing through issues in a box (or boxes).
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Post by commond on Sept 22, 2021 19:14:57 GMT -5
There are mangas that are notoriously wordy, several of which have been adapted into popular animes. I'm pretty sure young people struggle with those mangas. In fact, I'm pretty sure people have a problem with wordy text in any era.
I'm about 20 years behind modern popular culture, but I have gotten better since I signed up for Netflix. I can definitely understand the appeal of wanting to see the newest and latest shows even if Netflix keeps recommending me shows that folks liked twenty years ago.
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Post by tonebone on Sept 24, 2021 7:16:56 GMT -5
I think it's because of the incredible amount of content being created, minute by minute. I would imagine just keeping up with all that crap being shoveled at you is a full-time job, precluding the time to develop any broader interests. I mean, it's sad to think that there's MORE than 24 hours worth of TikTok offal created in a 24 hour period. Doesn't leave a lot of time for anyone to develop an interest in old movies, classic books, etc. It's a constant churn of the new and fresh. You don't want to be left out. I'm really not trying to get personal or be mean or anything, but this is the kind of statement that makes it really hard to take your statements seriously. This is literally the same thing the old guys said about that "nasty jungle rock-n-roll music" or a generation before that complaining about those "wacky bobby soxers swooning over that wimpy Sinatra kid." It's fine to not like what's going on on TikTok (I have no idea what's going on there). But it's almost certainly not aimed at you. And I have no idea why it's "sad" that it's being created. It's certainly not any less worthwhile than that funny-book offal. Point taken... however, I can, without hesitation, compare, contrast and rank in terms of cultural importance, reading a book or watching an old film, to 10 second videos of people falling, or twerking, or snorting cinnamon. Art is subjective, but only to a certain extent. There are objective criteria, as well. I am not comparing music, films, or books across decades. Quite the opposite. I am saying there are things that add to and benefit a culture, and there are things that you would be really hard pressed to say that they do. And those things are being produced at an unfathomable rate, far outpacing those that do benefit society as a whole. And they are far more accessible and digestible than reading, etc. There is a reason that, traditionally, schools have taught "the classics", at least up until recently. Hell, a lot of schools made you learn Latin, "a dead language". We are on track to become the world seen in Idiocracy, and it's not because people embraced the art, culture, or even pop culture of the past. It's because they have developed the memories of goldfish, and have a steady diet of diversions.
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Post by impulse on Sept 24, 2021 8:52:12 GMT -5
While it is probably unlikely that any one particular TikTok short video will make it into the annals of history, the shared communal experience of consuming, enjoying and sharing the better ones from this period are surely to be remembered.
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Post by tartanphantom on Sept 24, 2021 12:09:31 GMT -5
One of the aspects of my generation (X) is that we witnessed a lot of the technological and social change of the last 50 years and are pretty adaptable to the changes, while also being able to function without the technology, since we knew life before. As a group, we embraced change pretty easily; but, are also more skeptical about claims of marketing, as we know better. Obviously, in any broad and arbitrary grouping, there will be exceptions. My mother, born in 1937, was the first in our household to own and regularly use a home computer. My father (born 1931) could use them, but hated e-mail, as he preferred to compose letters (he had better handwriting than I do; I have been typing since 3rd grade, at everyone's request). I also think that, within comic fans, we also are more open to both modern and older comics, as we also witnessed the change in comic publishing that came with the Direct Market, but also read comics in the days when superheroes weren't the only option (or the main one). Well, some of us. Plenty were still DC and Marvel-only, but some of us weren't averse to Gold Key or Charlton and didn't look down on Archie or Harvey (Warren was too adult, when I was younger and horror-based, which wasn't my thing, when I was older, until I started reading some of their stuff, after they were gone). We got Golden Age reprints in our 100-pg and Giant Size comics, some Silver Age ones and then had alternatives. Now, I admit, that I don't find a lot to interest me in many modern comics; but, I still read new material; just very little DC or Marvel, apart from a few choice delicacies. Same with music; I have found little mainstream material, for the past 20 years or so, that did much for me; but, there have been choice bits, here and there (without auto-tune and vacuous lyrics or thumping base and no melody)
I can strongly identify with this. As a "trailing-edge" baby boomer (born in June 1963, the oldest of 3 boys), I have a tendency to identify more with early Gen-X'ers than with most of the Boomer generation. My taste and adaptability in technology, music, literature and the other arts is far more wide-ranging than most of my age-peers, and always has been. Most of my friends are at least 3-5 years younger than myself... that's right, in just about any gathering of friends, I'm usually the oldest guy in the room. Perhaps this has something to do with the fact that I've been a musician in some capacity since elementary school. Unlike most kids who played an instrument in a school band but then abandoned it when they became an adult, I never gave up or put away my enjoyment of writing and performing music-- to the contrary, I continued to learn new instruments and different musical styles.
Oh, and I was never a strict DC/Marvel guy... I'd read anything from Little Lotta to Beetle Bailey to Chick tracts... and still do. To this day, indie titles comprise at least 1/3rd of my collection-- perhaps more.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Sept 24, 2021 12:59:27 GMT -5
I'm the exact opposite when it comes to the people I'm around. And even in my dating years the women that I would notice. Both were usually older than me. I find more in conversation with at least people my age and then those older than me. I guess that's why eventually on CBR I made the classic comics section my home almost exclusively. And then moved here. I dont discount younger people as just "uninteresting" or anything. I just find that I am more comfortable and more at ease in a conversation with people older than me. Like when I have to travel to another location for my job to help them out with things, when it's lunch time all to often they comment on how quiet I am. They are are younger than me from 10-7 years. I like all my coworkers its just when causal conversation comes up I am going to be out of my league. I mean my immediate supervisor makes tick tock videos ffs lol and he's only 7 years younger than me. The two young women that work there are wonderful ladies that are fun and easy to work with. But their kids are younger than my youngest. Our parenting and child rearing are in two different places. Three out of four of them have been divorced. Two of them have remarried. Another thing in life I've never dealt with. So I mostly just listen. You learn a lot by listening.
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 19, 2021 6:49:50 GMT -5
I will never accept that the Eternals were sitting around doing nothing while Thanos was decimating the universe in the MCU.
There I said it.
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Post by tarkintino on Oct 19, 2021 7:00:17 GMT -5
I will never accept that the Eternals were sitting around doing nothing while Thanos was decimating the universe in the MCU. There I said it. If you're referring to the upcoming MCU film, I agree, and acknowledging that the MCU has never had strong writing on its side (save for a less than a handful of films), I would not expect a believable reason to explain why they sat out Thanos, the invasion of New York from Avengers, or allowed the Red Skull to even come close to developing all of those tesseract-infused weapons aboard the Valkyrie that were moments away from killing millions if not for a last-second, desperation attack from Captain America. All of that going on and the Eternals did not intervene? Why would anyone care about them, or accept any explanation offered?
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Post by tartanphantom on Oct 19, 2021 7:53:05 GMT -5
I will never accept that the Eternals were sitting around doing nothing while Thanos was decimating the universe in the MCU. There I said it.
So it's basically an Eternals sausage fest?
That figures.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 19, 2021 8:26:08 GMT -5
I will never accept that the Eternals were sitting around doing nothing while Thanos was decimating the universe in the MCU. There I said it. But you accept that nobody but the Fantastic Four get involved when Galactus first comes to eat Earth? It’s a completely common superhero funnybook trope. Brought to you by Slam Bradley's "Rules For Reading Superhero Funnybooks."
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 19, 2021 9:15:26 GMT -5
I will never accept that the Eternals were sitting around doing nothing while Thanos was decimating the universe in the MCU. There I said it. Ah, you know those immortal types... "Another day, another genocidal maniac who want to kill everyone. Hey, Sersi, remember that dude with a little moustache, name sounded like a pastry? Éclair or something?" "Hitler." "Right, right. See? We didn't need to do anything. The problem solved itself. It always does. It's been like that for thousands of years. What d'you say, Metron?" "First that it's cool to cross over into another Kirby title, but also that killing half the people in the universe is not going to have much of an impact. The plebs will breed themselves back to today's number within a few decades." "Just my point. Who cares? Pass the beer".
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 19, 2021 10:09:34 GMT -5
I will never accept that the Eternals were sitting around doing nothing while Thanos was decimating the universe in the MCU. There I said it. But you accept that nobody but the Fantastic Four get involved when Galactus first comes to eat Earth? It’s a completely common superhero funnybook trope. Brought to you by Slam Bradley's "Rules For Reading Superhero Funnybooks." Damn, Slam wins again.
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Post by tarkintino on Oct 19, 2021 10:46:58 GMT -5
I will never accept that the Eternals were sitting around doing nothing while Thanos was decimating the universe in the MCU. There I said it. But you accept that nobody but the Fantastic Four get involved when Galactus first comes to eat Earth? It’s a completely common superhero funnybook trope. If by "nobody" you meant the other Marvel superheroes on earth at that time, I see them being as ineffective as anyone who did not use Richards' solution. The difference with the MCU Eternals is that they are sold as all-powerful beings, so more than any costumed characters living on earth, they had the power and means to step in and stop Thanos, the Red Skull, Loki / Chitauri, et al., but did not lift a finger.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 19, 2021 10:51:00 GMT -5
But you accept that nobody but the Fantastic Four get involved when Galactus first comes to eat Earth? It’s a completely common superhero funnybook trope. If by "nobody" you meant the other Marvel superheroes on earth at that time, I see them being as ineffective as anyone who did not use Richards' solution. The difference with the MCU Eternals is that they are sold as all-powerful beings, so more than any costumed characters living on earth, they had the power and means to step in and stop Thanos, the Red Skull, Loki / Chitauri, et al., but did not lift a finger. Ineffectual =/= just ignored it. Yeah...maybe Thor doesn't beat Galactus. But he didn't even show up to the party. Because...well we know why not. Because it was happening in Fantastic Four and it wasn't time for a crossover. Pretending that superhero funnybooks or superhero movies are supposed to make real-world sense it ridiculous.
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Post by tarkintino on Oct 19, 2021 12:00:11 GMT -5
People do expect some realistic sense out of superhero stories, whether on screen or on a page; some of the better stories had characters react in ways closer to reality (e.g. Spider-Man being so enraged at the Goblin that he nearly beat him to death until he realized what he was close to doing). If no real-world behavior or action were ever expected, superhero films and comics could have characters fall from a cliff, and when they hit the ground, their bodies take on the appearance of an accordion with appropriate sounds, before they "straighten" themselves out and walk way in Looney Tunes fashion. Even fantasy---the better fantasy--works due to having some realism as a touch-point for the viewers.
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