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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 23:00:02 GMT -5
Can't stand Wolverine anymore. I used to like him a lot when Claremont wrote him but like it's been stated before in this thread his healing factor got totally out of control. I liked when he used to be wounded SO badly that it took many issues for him to recuperate. Case in point in the Uncanny X-men issues in the 200's when he got the crap beat out of him by Phoenix, Lady Deathstrike and The Reavers and you were never sure if he would survive because his healing factor was working on overdrive. Then all of a sudden "bam" he's all healed and his injuries are never mentioned again. Then Claremont left. Now he could have his head blow off and he probably could've grown a new head. No thank you.
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Post by Action Ace on Nov 12, 2015 23:51:03 GMT -5
X-Men: They're a pack of whiny freaks that deserve every bit of hate and discrimination thrown their way by the Marvel public.
Wolverine: He is the best at what he does, make me not want to read a comic book.
Green Arrow, Hawkeye and Roy Harper: Wisecracking idiots that should have been killed in action decades ago.
Thanos: The last time I encountered something that lame, I had to take it out back and shoot it.
Punisher: My favorite Punisher moment is when Batman beats him up off panel in ten seconds.
Thor: I'd keep the hammer, the rest can go.
Firestorm: He's the reason Vibe, Moon Maiden, Faith and the rest of the unworthy ever got in the JLA. This puffy sleeved, Disco Era hothead should have been left in the 1970s.
PAD's Supergirl, Helena Bertinelli Huntress, Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown: Dan Didio should be given a medal for getting rid of this trash, even if it was only temporary.
Lobo: So awful I voted for Wolverine to beat him in the Marvel vs. DC series.
Kirby's Fourth World: Can DC trade everyone but Darkseid to Marvel for something else? Perhaps a straight up trade for Razorback?
Demon: He can go to Marvel for free.
Guy Gardner: His best era was when he was in a coma.
There. I said it.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Nov 13, 2015 5:49:09 GMT -5
X-Men: They're a pack of whiny freaks that deserve every bit of hate and discrimination thrown their way by the Marvel public. Wolverine: He is the best at what he does, make me not want to read a comic book. Green Arrow, Hawkeye and Roy Harper: Wisecracking idiots that should have been killed in action decades ago. Thanos: The last time I encountered something that lame, I had to take it out back and shoot it. Punisher: My favorite Punisher moment is when Batman beats him up off panel in ten seconds. Thor: I'd keep the hammer, the rest can go. Firestorm: He's the reason Vibe, Moon Maiden, Faith and the rest of the unworthy ever got in the JLA. This puffy sleeved, Disco Era hothead should have been left in the 1970s. PAD's Supergirl, Helena Bertinelli Huntress, Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown: Dan Didio should be given a medal for getting rid of this trash, even if it was only temporary. Lobo: So awful I voted for Wolverine to beat him in the Marvel vs. DC series. Kirby's Fourth World: Can DC trade everyone but Darkseid to Marvel for something else? Perhaps a straight up trade for Razorback? Demon: He can go to Marvel for free. Guy Gardner: His best era was when he was in a coma. There. I said it. That's a lot of anger...  |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 13, 2015 5:59:44 GMT -5
Hawkeyes( one of my favorite characters of all time) works best as a supporting character. His flame burned brightest from Avengers #16 to 109.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2015 6:43:33 GMT -5
Hawkeyes( one of my favorite characters of all time) works best as a supporting character. His flame burned brightest from Avengers #16 to 109. Thank you for reminding me of yet another character I cannot stand. I have not liked Hawkeye since Wanda and Pietro first showed up in Avengers. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2015 6:46:37 GMT -5
And Firestorm also wore a puffy shirt.  While this is hilarious because Seinfeld, you cannot honestly think that pointing out Firestorm's puffy shirt is going to make me suddenly see him as lame? Not when you have characters wearing things that are way worse. And not only that, you have the entire decade of the 90s. |
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Post by sunofdarkchild on Nov 13, 2015 6:49:52 GMT -5
Wolverine in the 80s was an amazing character that deserved his popularity. Once Claremont stopped writing him he turned into a parody like Lobo.
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 13, 2015 7:21:25 GMT -5
And Firestorm also wore a puffy shirt. While this is hilarious because Seinfeld, you cannot honestly think that pointing out Firestorm's puffy shirt is going to make me suddenly see him as lame? Not when you have characters wearing things that are way worse. And not only that, you have the entire decade of the 90s. Just rattling your cage, CW.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2015 7:38:50 GMT -5
While this is hilarious because Seinfeld, you cannot honestly think that pointing out Firestorm's puffy shirt is going to make me suddenly see him as lame? Not when you have characters wearing things that are way worse. And not only that, you have the entire decade of the 90s. Just rattling your cage, CW. I know.  And it IS funny because his shirt IS puffy. |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Nov 13, 2015 9:45:28 GMT -5
The only time I liked the Hal Jordan GL was in the Neal Adams run but even then, he was sort of a dummy. I think that run pretty much ruined Hal Jordan as a character by making him the establishment straw man for liberal Ollie Queen to knock down. That famous panel of him bowing his head in shame after the old guy harangues him for not helping black people defined Hal's character for a generation. Every writer since then seems to either continue that idea of him as wimpy and insecure, or they over-compensate in the other direction by making him a swaggering macho jerk. I think that run pretty much ruined Hal Jordan as a character by making him the establishment straw man for liberal Ollie Queen to knock down. That famous panel of him bowing his head in shame after the old guy harangues him for not helping black people defined Hal's character for a generation. Every writer since then seems to either continue that idea of him as wimpy and insecure, or they over-compensate in the other direction by making him a swaggering macho jerk. I hate that scene sooooo damn much!! The guy has saved the planet multiple times. Pretty sure that means he saved all the black, white, yellow, red and fuscia people. Such a stupid stupid scene. I read that scene and those comics so out of context of the time they were written that I really didn't think nothing of it. But this makes me think about it again. But I found Hal boring way before I read these. Truth be told, I never cared for either Ollie GA or Hal GL. I started with Conner (good god I hate that name) and Kyle. But if a gun were pointed to my head I find Ollie, just a tad bit more interesting than Hal. But that's mostly from Longbow Hunters. Anyway ... thanks for making me think about that again. I might read those again this weekend. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2015 9:45:34 GMT -5
Guy Gardner Warrior  I just can't stand Vibe ... this character is 100 times worst than Vibe and having said that ... I was never, ever was a Guy Gardner Fan even when he was Green Lantern at one time.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Nov 13, 2015 9:50:52 GMT -5
Funny thing about Guy is, I always thought that the drunken, I don't have to be socially acceptable to be a good person, like many of my later favorite writers and characters (Bukowski, Burroughs, Henry Miller, Willie T Stokes, Doc Holiday. etc) would endear me to him. But for some reason Guy never clicked. I think it's his constant fighting and posturing that's more annoying then his other qualities that I like in characters that aren't perfect people or heroes. Though Guy, like Hal or Superman, or other characters I find boring solo are good on teams. I especially like Batman and Guy at odds, as I do Batman and Superman.
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 13, 2015 11:04:40 GMT -5
I think that run pretty much ruined Hal Jordan as a character by making him the establishment straw man for liberal Ollie Queen to knock down. That famous panel of him bowing his head in shame after the old guy harangues him for not helping black people defined Hal's character for a generation. Every writer since then seems to either continue that idea of him as wimpy and insecure, or they over-compensate in the other direction by making him a swaggering macho jerk. I hate that scene sooooo damn much!! The guy has saved the planet multiple times. Pretty sure that means he saved all the black, white, yellow, red and fuscia people. Such a stupid stupid scene. I read that scene and those comics so out of context of the time they were written that I really didn't think nothing of it. But this makes me think about it again. But I found Hal boring way before I read these. Truth be told, I never cared for either Ollie GA or Hal GL. I started with Conner (good god I hate that name) and Kyle. But if a gun were pointed to my head I find Ollie, just a tad bit more interesting than Hal. But that's mostly from Longbow Hunters. Anyway ... thanks for making me think about that again. I might read those again this weekend. Time may not have been kind to this famous scene from GL 76, but in its time, it was moment of earth-shaking humility, not just for Green Lantern, but for the world of comics. You hate to play the "hadda be there" card, but... The sea-change in comics at that time is well documented, and I don't want to rehash it here, but those three or four panels were essentially comics' Pleasantville moment. The trees caught fire, color flooded the world, and suddenly there was a connection between that world and the world we were all living in. There had been other stories before this that flirted with “relevance,” like the JLA two-parter about pollution (also a Denny O’Neil story) and a Spider-Man storyline set amidst a campus protest about tenants’ rights, IIRC, but the super-hero lines of DC and Marvel were firmly ensconced in business as usual. As so often happens, the first ripples of change were being seen outside the spotlight, in Sgt. Fury and the DC war comics, where the many issues raised by our involvement in Vietnam could be examined without straining credulity. You’re right, Green Lantern had saved the world countless times, but in comics, that “world” was white and upper middle-class. The old black man, who appears in those few panels became and remains one of the iconic figures in comics history because he was the first character ever to force one a traditional near-omnipotent comic book hero to look into the mirror and see how narrow his world-view was and how undeservedly self-satisfied he had become. It was clear even then that Green Lantern represented not only the rest of his costumed pantheon, but comic book readers, publishers, and creators as well. Yes, Green Arrow was generally insufferable, but that is quite in character with converts, and O’Neil knew this, which is why GA was so appropriately humbled on the cover of GL 85. Yes. The run was a kind of “Issue of the Month” approach, but it took us on a tour of an America in the throes of social revolution, which was happening with the same rapidity as the travels of GA and GL. Over the short course of this run, comic book readers saw accepted mainstream views challenged and the rules of the super-hero universe broken left and right in stories that dealt with issues in general, like overpopulation, conformity, and drug abuse, but also astonishingly timely issues, like the disrespect for the law of the Nixon administration and the show trial of the Chicago Eight. These kinds of stories were undreamed of before GL 76. Yes, comics readers had read political and social commentary for years in MAD magazine, but MAD’s stock-in-trade was humor. Sure, GL/GA may have been melodrama, but in its best moments, like the famous sequence with the old black man, its honesty was undeniable. That old man’s righteous anger was a perfect comeuppance for a society convinced of its nobility, blinded by its exceptionalism and deserving of a slap in the face. Yes, GL’s brief success initiated a flood of copycatting, but so what? Thus it has ever been in pop culture. Yes, today the quest of GL, GA and the Guardian probably seems as trite and clichéd as the idealism and the loss of innocence that motivated it. We live in an age in which idealism is scorned, success is measured by celebrity and in which the old black man would be regarded not as a human being but as a “taker.” Sorry to go on like this, but I remember those horrible days, and how eloquently that old black man spoke not just to Green Lantern, but to all America. I only wish we’d listened to him. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 13, 2015 11:48:38 GMT -5
Hawkeyes( one of my favorite characters of all time) works best as a supporting character. His flame burned brightest from Avengers #16 to 109. I liked Hawkeye when he was the leader of West Coast Avengers and married to Mockingbird... his rah rah routine was fun, as was the inferiority complex. I've never liked him before or since, really. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 13, 2015 11:51:28 GMT -5
Guy Gardner's best moment is when Batman knocked him out. He was fairly amusing comic relief in JLI, but never a good character, exactly.
I liked him best when he was retired and tending bar, but I think that's more the concept of a bar for retired superheroes more than Guy himself that I thought was cool.
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