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Post by badwolf on Apr 9, 2022 19:30:27 GMT -5
Creel wasn't the brightest crayon in the box. He usually got tricked into absorbing the properties of something that incapacitated him, like gas or water.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Apr 9, 2022 20:01:51 GMT -5
100% why i dont attend conventions since the 90’s when I started collecting comics. I went to one in St Louis that Mr Alex Ross attended and graciously signed my copy of Marvels #2 for me. And all around gracious man. But I cant imagine what some comic book creators go through with fans. So I can believe what hes saying.
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 9, 2022 22:36:18 GMT -5
And what would happen if they fought each other? The Absorbing Man turns to stone all the time and can still move around, so would that work with the Grey Gargoyle's touch too? I want to see Absorbing Man vs The Super-Adaptoid! Probably end up like matter and anti-matter.
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Post by tingramretro on Apr 10, 2022 6:03:51 GMT -5
I’ve been reading and loving comics since 1971ish. And was buying and loving the 40s-60s stuff as soon as I discovered it. Still love the old and read it near daily. But the new stuff is much better imho. Well, except in the cost/time of reading equations…. I agree. The general standard of writing and in many cases art is much higher now than it was when I was a kid. As for the cost, sadly I think that's inevitable. Production costs and distribution costs are far higher these days and less people read comics (or much of anythng else) so those costs have to be passed on to the consumer.
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Post by tingramretro on Apr 10, 2022 6:06:08 GMT -5
Creel wasn't the brightest crayon in the box. He usually got tricked into absorbing the properties of something that incapacitated him, like gas or water. "Wasn't"? Creel's still around! He's even become rehabilitated and gone to work for the Alpha Flight program.
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Post by tingramretro on Apr 10, 2022 6:09:09 GMT -5
I've been reading comics for close to fifty years. I still buy, read and enjoy upwards of forty new titles per month. I understand them perfectly and have no trouble keeping up. I also have no trouble recognising the characters. Maybe the problem isn't the comics but your preconceived notions of what they should be like. You mean "good"? I wouldn't even pirate what DC and Marvel publish these days. But hey, that's just me. If you enjoy them, I envy you. I wish I wanted to drop hundreds per month on them. I really do. But they are good. This attitude really irritates me. The fact that comics are not the way they used to be doesn't mean they're bad. It means they've changed to suit the times and the requirements of the current audience, and you haven't.
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Post by tingramretro on Apr 10, 2022 6:13:39 GMT -5
I didn't mean to start any arguments. I haven't read the Clone Saga, so I didn't know Osborn returned in the 90s. The first part of Brubaker's Captain America run is somewhat self-contained, with the same core group of characters, but now that Bucky is part of the Avengers, it's opened the story up to the wider Marvel Universe. Hence, my confusion. Osborn has been a major player in the Marvel Universe as a whole, not just the Spider-Man books, for the last few decades. When SHIELD was disbanded, he was appointed head of its successor, HAMMER, and was a huge part of the Civil War and Secret Invasion events. He ran the government sanctioned "Dark Avengers" as the Iron Patriot.
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Post by tingramretro on Apr 10, 2022 6:18:45 GMT -5
So you think comics should limit the kinds of stories they tell in order to be new reader friendly? To appeal to moviegoers? I don't. That sounds to me like a surefire way of killing innovative storytelling. And that's what I care about, it's what's kept me reading. I also think you're underestimating newer readers. Yes. They should limit the kinds of stories they tell. Good ones. No more staring down a deadline and the only things you can think of are ruining the character. He's dead! He's evil! He's gone! He's replaced! He's unmasked! Yes, they have been doing this stuff forever, but now it's ALL they do. Marvel and DC jump from one character-breaking event to another, just for a short sales bump, and expect people to still care about them. I don't. Look at people like Kurt Busiek... look how many good, really good, Astro City stories he's told without resorting to any of these character-breaking stunts. Look at his Untold Tales of Spider-Man. I mean, the man wrote stories BETWEEN Stan and Steve's stories and they are STILL good. Look at Wolfman and Perez's original run on Teen Titans... complex, rich, exciting stories, that didn't break characters, but built them up until you knew them. They built a whole new world of characters and situations. Are they dated? Well, yeah, 40 years on, they are a little... but still good. Tom King's Batman will not only be dated 40 years from now, but will be terrible to boot. Should they appeal to moviegoers? HELL YES. They should be AT THE VERY LEAST accessible and recognizable to movie goers. When I went to see X-Men 2, everyone in line got an X-men comic. It was the worst piece of crap I had ever seen... It only featured Wolverine, not in costume, and was part 2 of a 3 or more part story. It made no sense, and had absolutely zero resemblance or relationship to the movie. The trash cans were stuffed with them. Marvel does no better capitalizing on their movies, now, even though the Marvel movies are the most valuable IP in the world. It is estimated that 54 percent of all adults in America, 18-34, have seen one or more of the Avengers-related movies. 54 percent!!! Why would you NOT want to take advantage of that? You LITERALLY could not buy that kind of PR. But you sure can squander it. The stories they're telling often are good ones, they just aren't appealing to you. And why should they alter characters and storylines to resemble movies? They have a completely different audience most of the time.
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Post by kirby101 on Apr 10, 2022 8:22:20 GMT -5
Everything now isn't as good as when I was young. But really, I don't read Marvel and DC anymore. Are they any good? I have no idea, I don't read them. They no longer interested me about a decade ago. Partly because they no longer felt like the characters I had read for almost 50 years. That and the over reliance on Big Events turned me off. I can find plenty of other comics now that appeal to me.
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Post by Batflunkie on Apr 10, 2022 9:05:57 GMT -5
Everything now isn't as good as when I was young. Didn't we literally have a thread dedicated to the fact that nothing was as good when you were 12?
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Post by kirby101 on Apr 10, 2022 9:33:34 GMT -5
Everything now isn't as good as when I was young. Didn't we literally have a thread dedicated to the fact that nothing was as good when you were 12?
15 for me.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Apr 10, 2022 9:41:51 GMT -5
Everything now isn't as good as when I was young. Didn't we literally have a thread dedicated to the fact that nothing was as good when you were 12?
Yeah. And it was wrong in that thread too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2022 10:00:49 GMT -5
The strong pull of those formative years is heady stuff.
Some find more to enjoy over a broader timespan than others, significantly so in some cases, and brings the diversity of readership that leads to many a good debate. But the overall familiarity and allure of one's personal "age of wonder" cannot be denied. Even for those who may have had a less "traditional" path to comic books (e.g. getting into them later in life or hooked on earlier periods versus contemporary) still develop a baseline of sorts that is often the reference point for all that comes later.
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Post by Duragizer on Apr 10, 2022 16:28:33 GMT -5
I used to be super-nostalgic. A maturing politicohistorical perspective dissuaded me of that sentiment.
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Post by chadwilliam on Apr 10, 2022 16:44:09 GMT -5
I'm in that weird spot of having turned 14 - the age most kids seemed to have gotten out of comics and when it lost its magic for me - at a time when I think few people would argue that superhero comics weren't at an objectively low point - 1993. Great if you were into Vertigo, for instance, but not the mainstream stuff which I hadn't had a problem with a couple of years earlier. Azrael-Batman, Angsty Mullet Superman, Genocidal Green Lantern, Spider-Man and his robot parents, Image, etc. I still wonder what I would have made of this stuff at eight - would I have hated it at that age as well, or would I be looking back on it with at least a little bit of fondness today?
I guess I'm in that "superhero comics started to suck at 14!" camp that I'm sure a lot of others are in, but if pressed, I don't think I'd have trouble arguing my case.
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