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Post by Batflunkie on Mar 14, 2023 10:27:22 GMT -5
IDK, it's been a while since I've read the post-Kirby stuff and I personally never cared for the Steranko issues, felt too much like pure style over substance.
And it's funny to me that you mention Cap as "one of Marvel's most revolutionary titles behind Spidey". I can find a wealth of videos on youtube discussing Spiderman, but all anyone wants to talk about is Brubaker and the MCU films when it comes to Cap
That's more of a factor of the generation that is producing Youtube videos, rather than the character. Most of the ones I have seen are done by people under 40, whose experience with Captain America is either not from comics or only later era Cap and not the Silver or Bronze Age. If you are lucky, they might go back to Gruenwald. I've seen a bunch of youtube channels pop-up that talk nothing but older (and by that I mean early ASM Ditko and Romita) Spider-Man comics and most of these guys are around my age (20's/30's), so it's just a little weird to me that Cap for some reason can't have the same kind of discussion or people think that Brubaker and the MCU films are the only stuff he has worth talking about |
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Post by kirby101 on Mar 14, 2023 10:32:07 GMT -5
The Tales of Suspense Cap was hit or miss. But it did give us Aim, Modok, The Sleepers, the Cosmic Cube, and some damn exciting stories with dynamic Kirby art. The early issues of his own title were okay, but that Kirby-Shores team on art was fine. One of my all time favorite Kirby sp0lash pages from Cap 103  |
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Post by kirby101 on Mar 14, 2023 10:34:38 GMT -5
Liked it so much, did my own painted version.  |
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Post by impulse on Mar 14, 2023 10:50:46 GMT -5
The art and painting are cool, but holy crap, how is anyone able to be shown swimming in a full booted suit and carrying a metal shield??
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Post by Cei-U! on Mar 14, 2023 11:12:42 GMT -5
The Tales of Suspense Cap was hit or miss. But it did give us Aim, Modok, The Sleepers, the Cosmic Cube, and some damn exciting stories with dynamic Kirby art. The early issues of his own title were okay, but that Kirby-Shores team on art was fine. One of my all time favorite Kirby sp0lash pages from Cap 103 I I had a chance to buy the original art for this page back in the early '90s but couldn't justify the expense. If I'd known what the original art market would evolve into over the intervening decades, I'd have found a way!
Cei-U! I summon the forsaken bonanza!
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Post by kirby101 on Mar 14, 2023 12:02:29 GMT -5
The prices are shocking. To make you feel worse, the cover to 103 went for almost $300,000 and this one from TOS 59 (first Cap)went for over $600,000  I would love to see the original to that page. Wonder who owns it? |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 14, 2023 12:08:45 GMT -5
seems like whoever it is should be a member of our merry band here at ccf  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2023 15:41:21 GMT -5
The prices are shocking. To make you feel worse, the cover to 103 went for almost $300,000 and this one from TOS 59 (first Cap)went for over $600,000 I would love to see the original to that page. Wonder who owns it? seems like whoever it is should be a member of our merry band here at ccf A number of comic artists I follow on twitter are big players in the original art market, grabbing pieces when they don't go for ridiculous money. Phil Hester is the one that comes to mind first, as he often posts about the latest prices he bid on and whether he won or lost. He's posted links in the past where you can see the pages he has amassed over the years (I don't have it available offhand, but it's a page on the same website for original art collectors that someone here posted once upon a time). I know MDG used to collect original art but mentioned he hasn't done so in a while. But yeah the market on original art has really taken off, and I've often said (to much disagreement from folks here) that if you don't have the original art, you don't have an "original comic" just one of the many mass produced reproductions of it, and all reproductions are not the original even if they are first printings. But a lot of the players I see who are vocal about their activity in the original art market are comic creators not so much comic customers. -M |
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Post by Rob Allen on Mar 14, 2023 16:04:02 GMT -5
... the same website for original art collectors that someone here posted once upon a time... That was probably www.comicartfans.com/, and may have been posted by me. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 14, 2023 20:48:58 GMT -5
That's more of a factor of the generation that is producing Youtube videos, rather than the character. Most of the ones I have seen are done by people under 40, whose experience with Captain America is either not from comics or only later era Cap and not the Silver or Bronze Age. If you are lucky, they might go back to Gruenwald. I've seen a bunch of youtube channels pop-up that talk nothing but older (and by that I mean early ASM Ditko and Romita) Spider-Man comics and most of these guys are around my age (20's/30's), so it's just a little weird to me that Cap for some reason can't have the same kind of discussion or people think that Brubaker and the MCU films are the only stuff he has worth talking about Well, the Spider-Man films have drawn from early stories, whereas Cap has centered more on the Brubaker era, other than the first film. Most of the ones I see on Youtube seem to have a herd mentality of following whatever subject is either in theaters or that a more established content provider does. I see a lot of that on Youtube, with the same people reviewing the same music videos, the same tv and movie clips, the same everything. In pro wrestling, if Jim Cornette covers a topic in either of his podcasts, suddenly everyone else who discusses wrestling is covering the same thing. There is a certain level of current events but a lot of jumping on the bandwagon. I think if they had let Cap have a longer run in the 40s, then brought him forward and did the Brubaker stuff, then you would see a lot of talk about the Invaders issues (especially if they had been able to have Namor and the Torch in there). Had Cap been part of one of the tv series and not just his shield and successor, we would probably see more. Spidey has had 3 Raimi films, 2 reboot films and 3 Marvel films plus an animated feature, plus recent era cartoons. Cap had three solo movies (two and a half, really) and 4 Avengers movies and that's it. Stark got arguably more attention in the Avengers movies, though Cap got more and more screen time, with the Russo Brothers; but, it was mostly Brubaker era material and Starlin's Thanos stories. |
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Post by tarkintino on Mar 14, 2023 20:51:03 GMT -5
IDK, it's been a while since I've read the post-Kirby stuff and I personally never cared for the Steranko issues, felt too much like pure style over substance. And it's funny to me that you mention Cap as "one of Marvel's most revolutionary titles behind Spidey". The kind of plotting featured in so many late 60s / early 70s Cap comics were so far ahead of other Marvel titles in terms of sociopolitical relevance, despite the presence of super-villains and their schemes. Steve Rogers took a realistic amount of time to come to terms with his role in the image of Captain America and as a "servant" of American identity. That, along with the Wilson plots I mentioned before were not going to be found in other Marvel titles careening toward the next "THIS IS IT!" battle. Possibly due to a couple of factors: 1. The age of those running the YT channels, which means on average, I've seen many channel hosts reveal their near total ignorance of anything older than 1987. 2. Some are only interested in Brubaker because of its influence on the Cap side of the MCU, while they forget (or never read--probably the case) that plots such as Cap's role in America, Sam Wilson perspective on that, etc. were happening at the end of the 1960s, when the title was truly challenging in a terrible period of American history. If certain readers do not even care to experience that history (being wrapped up in a sort of "us versus them" perspective about comic books and their creators), then they will never offer any sensible opinion about Cap's comic history |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 15, 2023 10:20:05 GMT -5
I have zero interest in watching a youtube video of someone talking at me about... anything really. I'll take an article any day, videos take too long, and 1/2 to 2/3 of them are generally identifying themselves, begging for views (I know why, I just am not interested in participating in that economy), etc.
I'll watch things I need for instruction (fixing small things around the house, board game demos/instructions, etc) but that's it... and even then there's alot of hopping around to find the content and skip the nonsense
There, I said it.
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Post by impulse on Mar 15, 2023 10:34:07 GMT -5
Counter argument, videos are good for when you're doing chores or otherwise not able to stop what you are doing to sit and read something.
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Post by Batflunkie on Mar 15, 2023 10:41:24 GMT -5
IDK, it's been a while since I've read the post-Kirby stuff and I personally never cared for the Steranko issues, felt too much like pure style over substance. And it's funny to me that you mention Cap as "one of Marvel's most revolutionary titles behind Spidey". The kind of plotting featured in so many late 60s / early 70s Cap comics were so far ahead of other Marvel titles in terms of sociopolitical relevance, despite the presence of super-villains and their schemes. Steve Rogers took a realistic amount of time to come to terms with his role in the image of Captain America and as a "servant" of American identity. That, along with the Wilson plots I mentioned before were not going to be found in other Marvel titles careening toward the next "THIS IS IT!" battle. I think maybe I do need to go back and re-read all of that sometime...
I have been very happy with DeMatteis Cap (even made and gave up on a review thread about it) and to me that's where the character peaked. You finally had Steve having something of a life outside of his super hero identity and even had a lady love after coming to terms with the loss of Sharon. Frankly I was kind of mad when Gruenwald kind of had her and Jack Monroe move on with there lives, but it was realistic and added to the bittersweetness
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 15, 2023 11:01:58 GMT -5
I have zero interest in watching a youtube video of someone talking at me about... anything really. I'll take an article any day, videos take too long, and 1/2 to 2/3 of them are generally identifying themselves, begging for views (I know why, I just am not interested in participating in that economy), etc. I'll watch things I need for instruction (fixing small things around the house, board game demos/instructions, etc) but that's it... and even then there's alot of hopping around to find the content and skip the nonsense There, I said it. True, and generally how I react to most thumbnails I see and those that I have watched. However, I have found some with excellent content. I tend to watch the humorous stuff, especially when it has some intelligence behind it and not just people acting goofy. Stuff like Honest Trailer, How It Should Have Ended (HISHE) and Cinema Sins and Pitch Meeting. I have skipped most reaction video, as the few I have seen, only 1 or 2 seemed sincere and not putting on an act to cater to an audience. Pop culture features depend on the person. Toy Galaxy/Secret Galaxy is usually engaging, entertaining and informative, though the time constraint often leaves out important facts or context. I generally skip comic book content, as I have spent around 40 years reading everything I could find about comic history; newspaper strips and comic books. Thus, it's old news to me. I have watched a couple from Comic Tropes and one or two others, because of a specific subject and to check their level of knowledge. I can't remember who it was that I checked out that did a decent job; but, really lacked context, about pulp heroes and also The Phantom, and I posted lengthy comments either filling in gaps or correcting misconceptions based on context. With the Phantom, it was quite clear they were interested in the character, but never really read a great body of the stories. Same with the pulps; they knew recent takes on them and did the basic research, but didn't really read the stories or a wider range of adaptations. I once clicked on one that was supposed to be a "documentary" about the Poffo family's (Randy "Macho Man" Savage, brother "Leaping" Lanny Poffo, aka The Genius, and father Angelo, aka "The Miser") pro wrestling promotion, International Championship Wrestling (ICW). I became a fan of pro wrestling watching the ICW tv show, from a Springfield, IL tv station broadcast and they use to put on matches in Decatur and Springfield. So I was curious to see what it had to say. It was completely voice over, with images, in a monotone, reading the Wikipedia page, verbatim. It even used the few images in the article, including brackets for a tag team tournament they did, with random partners. It was clear this person had never seen a match beyond the few that exist on Youtube (they existed from 1979-1984, before home video was a common thing; so, there aren't many tapes floating around). It was even more clear he knew nothing of the Poffos except for randy in the WWF and the Slim Jim commercials. I do enjoy some historical material on there, like History Buffs, Mark Felton Productions and a few others. Those generally feature good content and interesting discussions. |
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