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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2023 12:57:39 GMT -5
I sometimes think there's more to read in these 21 panels spread over 2 pages, than 21 pages of current Batman. The value for money just isn't there anymore when you can finish a book in a few minutes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2023 11:33:44 GMT -5
I'm seeing yet another new Daredevil #1 and Punisher #1? The volumes are becoming cumbersome. I'm not buying anything new with a $6.99 cover....at least initially, not when one of my sources has fairly regular sales and I can get as much as 75% off a few months later. That's how I got the Harley Annual from last year, $6.99 cover, under $2 in a sale, perfect NM bagged and boarded. My current new issue pull-list is less than 5. I will still blow $100 on random new issues of interest but not at cover price, or cost price with my dealer, but when I can swing a much better deal.
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Post by tartanphantom on Nov 12, 2023 23:18:04 GMT -5
Yes, and thanks to Cody especially for the info on those Star Wars reference books. I'm not sure I'm quite enough of a fan at this point to read any of them but it's good to know what to look for if I ever get back into the mood. Back in the 80s, Skywalking was a go-to source for information on Lucas and his films, however, in recent decades, some have criticized it for alleged revisionist history / inaccuracies.
And then, Lucas eventually sold out and Kathleen Kennedy turned it all into a steaming pile. Way to go.
There, I said it... and I don't think I'm alone in that opinion, popular or unpopular as it may be. YMMV.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 13, 2023 21:57:24 GMT -5
Back in the 80s, Skywalking was a go-to source for information on Lucas and his films, however, in recent decades, some have criticized it for alleged revisionist history / inaccuracies.
And then, Lucas eventually sold out and Kathleen Kennedy turned it all into a steaming pile. Way to go.
There, I said it... and I don't think I'm alone in that opinion, popular or unpopular as it may be. YMMV.
Eh, Lucas had accumulated a fairly substantial compost heap by the time he sold it. Outside of the Timothy Zahn material and some of the Dark Horse stuff, I didn't think much of the vast majority of Star Wars material, post-Jedi. I think there is more than enough blame for the mess of later Star Wars to spread around, beyond Kathleen Kennedy. Even Lucas was afraid to do anything interesting with it. For my money, the acme of Star Wars is Archie Goodwin's material. He got what drew audiences to Star Wars (the original), gave it some depth and added some interesting new characters to it and then just churned out great stories, in the comic books and newspaper strips. Zahn had a similar feel. I never read Mike Stackpole's Rogue Squadron books; but, I heard good things about them. Other than Splinter of the Mind's Eyes and the early Han Solo adventures, from Brian Daley, you can keep the rest of the books and all of the prequels and sequels. Lucas also crapped out a pretty mediocre Indiana Jones, at the end and I couldn't sustain much interest in the tv series. With Dark Horse, I liked some of the minis, fun stuff, like Tag & Bink and some of Kevin Rubio's short pieces in Star Wars Tales, Vader's Quest, one or two of the alternate versions of the movies and the rest varied. Goodwin had the luxury of creating before Lucas really knew what the hell he was going to do in a sequel and he created better characters and plots, before Lucasfilm stepped on his toes about similar plot elements. I think Lucas would have been well served to get more people like Archie in to help craft stories to be turned into screenplays, since he hated the writing so much.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 14, 2023 7:43:13 GMT -5
I think that's a little hard on the EU stuff. Sure there was some crap (Why anyone lets Kevin Anderson near their property I don't understand), but there was a decent ongoing story and it moved forward, unlike what they're doing now. Jacen Solo was a pretty good character, and Chewey had a great death scene.
In the comics, I quite like Quinlan Vos and some of the other Jedi stuff... and then they did some unique stuff from the distant past (Tales of the Jedi) and future (Legacy and Knight Errant). Far better than tell more 'fill in the cracks' stories... many of which have been done before.
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Post by impulse on Nov 14, 2023 9:50:20 GMT -5
For the life of me, I don't understand why they (they collectively referring to any and all of Disney, Kathleen Kennedy, and all others involved) didn't lift the bones of the EU novels for the ST. Specifically, cleaning up empire remnants, Luke rebuilding the Jedi order/academy, and the legacy characters GRADUALLY passing the torch to the next generation, especially in such a nostalgia-loving environment as we are in. It was all right there, it was good, and people wanted to see the characters they fell in love with again. Speaking for myself, I wanted to see Jedi Master Luke Skywalker get his due, to see the fruits of his labor and the fulfillment of the prophecy. I did not want to see a broken, bitter old man drinking blue milk from an alien's teet. Why they thought a hollow rehash of A New Hope, a heavy-handed attempt at """subversion""" and whatever the hell Rise of Skywalker ended up being is what ANYONE wanted to see is beyond me. I think they're all to blame! Kennedy dropped the ball, and if the buck stops with her, it's ultimately her responsibility, but let's also not pretend George was still burning the A-material in his tank, either. And I get why he wanted to sell it. IIRC from interviews and articles, he knew he was getting on in years and wanted the property to have stewards who would have longevity to keep it around and would keep the spirit of it going as much as anyone but him could. That said, to me, his face looked full of PAINFUL REGRET in nearly every photo of him I've seen around, during, and after the sale, so I don't think he wanted to nor would he have if he had another 50 years to live.
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Post by Batflunkie on Nov 14, 2023 12:06:57 GMT -5
See, this is why I like Star Trek. You don't have to worry about people who don't understand the property getting their hands on it
Oh, wait...
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 14, 2023 12:45:22 GMT -5
I think that's a little hard on the EU stuff. Sure there was some crap (Why anyone lets Kevin Anderson near their property I don't understand), but there was a decent ongoing story and it moved forward, unlike what they're doing now. Jacen Solo was a pretty good character, and Chewey had a great death scene. In the comics, I quite like Quinlan Vos and some of the other Jedi stuff... and then they did some unique stuff from the distant past (Tales of the Jedi) and future (Legacy and Knight Errant). Far better than tell more 'fill in the cracks' stories... many of which have been done before. Well, that's why Baskin Robbins has 31 flavors. My personal experience with the EU stuff I tried, in prose form, beyond Zahn, was pistachio and sludge. Dark Horse had much better material, though a good portion of it juts felt like wheel spinning, since they couldn't mess too closely with anything anyone really wanted, rather than in the deep past or far afield. Still, I felt the early works, in prose and comics, had a better handle on the space opera elements and better characterization. Archie Goodwin excelled at it, Alan Dean Foster could write anything and Brian Daley did a pretty good Han Solo. I tried the new stuff as it came out and Zahn's material was great, then it dropped off significantly enough that I swore off reading any more of it, because, obviously, the editors and Lucasfilm weren't going to let anyone do anything interesting and most of it read like bad fantasy...not sci-fi, not space opera, just bad fantasy. Force witches and other silliness. A consequence of that was skipping Stackpole's Rogue Squadron books, which I heard were good and sounded a little more up my alley; but, I had far too many other books I knew I wanted to read to get around to them. Harsh? Maybe; but burned too often makes you a harsh critic when they come a courtin' again. After the Special Edition monkeyshines, I was pretty skeptical going into the prequels and was pretty well justified in that sentiment. A cynic is an optimist who got tired of getting kicked in the goolies.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2023 13:30:58 GMT -5
I guess some rare promo comics really are rare when they're not even listed at Mile High (unless I missed it somehow).
The Archie-esque DeCarlo art makes it of interest to me once I can get a nice enough copy
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Post by tartanphantom on Nov 14, 2023 13:46:45 GMT -5
I guess some rare promo comics really are rare when they're not even listed at Mile High (unless I missed it somehow).
The Archie-esque DeCarlo art makes it of interest to me once I can get a nice enough copy
GCD only has some very basic info. I've never seen this particular issue, but it seems like its rarity would be primarily due to a regional aspect, namely the state of New York. Who knows-- there could be an old state property warehouse somewhere with a case of these things collecting dust, right next to the crate containing the Ark of the Covenant.
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Post by impulse on Nov 14, 2023 14:52:39 GMT -5
See, this is why I like Star Trek. You don't have to worry about people who don't understand the property getting their hands on it Oh, wait... Ironically, some of the same people!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2023 14:54:48 GMT -5
GCD only has some very basic info. I've never seen this particular issue, but it seems like its rarity would be primarily due to a regional aspect, namely the state of New York. Who knows-- there could be an old state property warehouse somewhere with a case of these things collecting dust, right next to the crate containing the Ark of the Covenant.
Wouldn't doubt it, a box of 75 of these was found in a church basement in Canada....it was cool, dry and dark down there so the books were pristine, and someone nabbed it. Like The Riffs, my mother-in-law has sent out the word to look out for a box of Hansis....
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Post by sunofdarkchild on Nov 15, 2023 4:37:02 GMT -5
I mostly really liked the old Star Wars EU. There were bad stories like The Courtship of Princess Leia and it fell into the 'superweapon of the week' trope, but there were definitely more hits than misses until after the prequels wrapped up. Legacy of the Force is what killed the EU for me, just a terrible story from conception to execution, and it was unfortunately the story the sequel trilogy decided to pull the most from. My post-Return of the Jedi canon starts with The Truce at Bakura and ends with The Unifying Force, with the Dark Nest trilogy and everything after being non-canon.
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Post by impulse on Nov 15, 2023 8:33:36 GMT -5
"The Truce at Bakura" is a combination of words I had forgotten existed. Blast from the past.
And yeah, I wouldn't have wanted them to copy literally all of the EU, but the bones of a logical and good next trilogy were easily already there.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 15, 2023 10:21:39 GMT -5
I don't see how Star Wars is in any worse hands. Lucas only directed three somewhat interesting films in his career. To that you can add two stories that were made in to scripts and films by others.
Star Wars has always been a mediocre property.
There. I said it.
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