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Post by tarkintino on Oct 12, 2024 9:05:34 GMT -5
Maybe you're not a romantic ...  I actually really enjoy some romance comics... I just have grown weary of DC's insistence that the Batman/Catwoman relationship is the greatest, most interesting thing to have ever occurred in DC history. Where superhero-involved romances are concerned, I preferred the Batman + Catwoman relationship more than the post-1973 Peter Parker & Mary Jane pairing, the latter never selling to me at any point. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 19, 2024 11:07:32 GMT -5
I’m reading FF 269 on , the second part of the Byrne run. He needs an inker. There’s lots of blank backgrounds and the figures are more cartoony than I remember.
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Post by Duragizer on Oct 19, 2024 13:22:25 GMT -5
Once I get access to a time machine, I'm travelling back to 1992. I'll then create my own comic book — Xtreme Cyborg War Tumours. Xtreme Cyborg War Tumours will be about a team of tumours with atrophied eyes and hundreds of teeth granted sapience through cybernetics, with impractically large guns grafted to them; at least one of the Xtreme Cyborg War Tumours would be a breast tumour, and she'd have breasts of her own, which would house a rocket launcher each. Each issue of Xtreme Cyborg War Tumours would have a glow-in-the-dark lenticular scratch-n-sniff foil cover. The first issue of Xtreme Cyborg War Tumours would be #0, with each issue of Xtreme Cyborg War Tumours following being negatively numbered; eventually there'd be a special issue #1 of Xtreme Cyborg War Tumours; the only difference between it and the regular issues would be every page would be a splash page turned on its side. After a decade or so, once Xtreme Cyborg War Tumours has made me a gazillionaire, I'll buy the wig Kevin Sorbo wore as Hercules and have it framed and mounted on my wall over my mantle.
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Post by rich on Oct 19, 2024 13:26:18 GMT -5
I’m reading FF 269 on , the second part of the Byrne run. He needs an inker. There’s lots of blank backgrounds and the figures are more cartoony than I remember. Yeah, you're well into the dodgy-art territory there. Still some nice covers, but he phones in the art for the last couple of years on his run. He just wanted to earn the most he could by doing everything on the book, and the editor didn't have the balls to call him out on it when his standards plummeted. He needed more than an inker- he needed a penciller to work from his layouts. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 19, 2024 14:35:19 GMT -5
I’m reading FF 269 on , the second part of the Byrne run. He needs an inker. There’s lots of blank backgrounds and the figures are more cartoony than I remember. Yeah, you're well into the dodgy-art territory there. Still some nice covers, but he phones in the art for the last couple of years on his run. He just wanted to earn the most he could by doing everything on the book, and the editor didn't have the balls to call him out on it when his standards plummeted. He needed more than an inker- he needed a penciller to work from his layouts. I can’t believe how badly it aged. |
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Post by rich on Oct 19, 2024 16:01:30 GMT -5
Yeah, you're well into the dodgy-art territory there. Still some nice covers, but he phones in the art for the last couple of years on his run. He just wanted to earn the most he could by doing everything on the book, and the editor didn't have the balls to call him out on it when his standards plummeted. He needed more than an inker- he needed a penciller to work from his layouts. I can’t believe how badly it aged. Are you reading the originals or the reprints? It looks a lot better in the originals... |
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Post by rich on Oct 19, 2024 16:02:20 GMT -5
On the upside, the stories should still be pretty fun. I liked his whole run, even after the art went to 💩
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 19, 2024 16:54:54 GMT -5
Ordway's inks added a lot of clarity to the art. He almost had a Sinnott vibe.
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Post by rich on Oct 19, 2024 17:28:37 GMT -5
Ordway's inks added a lot of clarity to the art. He almost had a Sinnott vibe. Oh yeah, I completely forgot he inked half a dozen or so of the later Byrne issues. Did he add backgrounds and whatnot? Or just straight inking? I can't remember without checking. Not sure I'd go as far as comparing him with Sinnot- Sinnot had a very smooth brush line... didn't Ordway use a pen with quite a distinct style? It's been years, so I might be remembering incorrectly. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 19, 2024 17:43:32 GMT -5
Ordway's inks added a lot of clarity to the art. He almost had a Sinnott vibe. Oh yeah, I completely forgot he inked half a dozen or so of the later Byrne issues. Did he add backgrounds and whatnot? Or just straight inking? I can't remember without checking. Not sure I'd go as far as comparing him with Sinnot- Sinnot had a very smooth brush line... didn't Ordway use a pen with quite a distinct style? It's been years, so I might be remembering incorrectly. It didn't look like Sinnott's inking, but it was clean as Sinnott. Byrne himself had a kind of splotchy inking style, I thought. Not unpleasant, but not as crisp as Austin's or Ordway's. |
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Post by rich on Oct 19, 2024 18:44:17 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I completely forgot he inked half a dozen or so of the later Byrne issues. Did he add backgrounds and whatnot? Or just straight inking? I can't remember without checking. Not sure I'd go as far as comparing him with Sinnot- Sinnot had a very smooth brush line... didn't Ordway use a pen with quite a distinct style? It's been years, so I might be remembering incorrectly. It didn't look like Sinnott's inking, but it was clean as Sinnott. Byrne himself had a kind of splotchy inking style, I thought. Not unpleasant, but not as crisp as Austin's or Ordway's. Sinnot and Palmer were possibly the two best inkers ever... clean but without the technical pen look. I'm not sure how best to judge Byrne's inking, because he didn't do much inking pre summer '83, while he was in god mode. A lot of his later inking I saw look lazy and uninspired. As a teen I had the opportunity to say a few words to certain famous comic book creator and he asked what I liked reading, and I mentioned old John Byrne comics. "Not his new stuff?" "No, it looks like he inks with a Sharpie marker." 😅 My dislike of his mid career inking is not new! Regarding inkers looking clean... in modern times, now everyone's inking looks clean, I long for the days of 'messy' inkers like Klaus Janson, whose work looked raw. Watch a video of someone like Joe Kubert ink and it kind of looks sloppy, or at least not super careful, but in fact he added character to pencils and didn't care to merely trace. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 19, 2024 19:05:13 GMT -5
It didn't look like Sinnott's inking, but it was clean as Sinnott. Byrne himself had a kind of splotchy inking style, I thought. Not unpleasant, but not as crisp as Austin's or Ordway's. Sinnot and Palmer were possibly the two best inkers ever... clean but without the technical pen look. I'm not sure how best to judge Byrne's inking, because he didn't do much inking pre summer '83, while he was in god mode. A lot of his later inker I saw look lazy and uninspired. As a teen I had the opportunity to say a few words to certain famous comic book creator and he asked what I liked reading, and I mentioned old John Byrne comics. "Not his new stuff?" "No, it looks like he inks with a Sharpie marker." 😅 My dislike of his mid career inking is not new! Regarding inkers looking clean... in modern times, now everyone's inking looks clean, I long for the days of 'messy' inkers like Klaus Janson, whose work looked raw. Watch a video of someone like Joe Kubert ink and it kind of looks sloppy, or at least not super careful, but in fact he added character to pencils and didn't care to merely trace. I love Janson's work! You're right, it looks very raw and alive! Likewise the artists who go straight to ink, despite the risk they take. There's a spontaneity there that's hard to capture otherwise. (And didn't Byrne actually use sharpies? I know Terry Austin did on Chaykin's pencils for an issue of Indiana Jones, and the result was brilliant. But then, it was Terry Austin...) |
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Post by rich on Oct 19, 2024 19:15:15 GMT -5
Haha, I didn't know Byrne actually did! I think David Mazzucchelli used markers when inking (for how much of it I can't say), and his inking felt *alive* too!
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 19, 2024 20:17:59 GMT -5
I’m reading the digital version and even Ordways inks can’t save the cartoony look. It might have been the period when he was doing 2 books ( FF and Alpha Flight).
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 19, 2024 20:48:14 GMT -5
It looks like the new Batman book “ Absolute Batman “ might be the top seller of 2024. Why does he look like the Hulk in a Batman suit ?
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