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Post by tingramretro on Jun 15, 2016 7:29:37 GMT -5
Excerpt from the Radio Times strip, by Gary Russell and Lee Sullivan.The mid 1990s were a time of both hope and disappointment for Doctor Who, as after years of rumours and dashed hopes the Doctor returned briefly to our TV screens, now played by Paul McGann, in a TV movie produced in America by Universal Television. Though the movie was a success in the UK (where it got over nine million viewers on its first broadcast on BBC1) it flopped in the US, and with the rights now tied up and Universal having no interest in progressing further, that glorious return proved to be something of a false start. It did, however, lead to the eighth Doctor becoming (somewhat paradoxically) one of the most popular ever in mediums other than TV; in a new series of original novels, later in audio adventures voiced by McGann and, from 1st June 1996 to 22nd March 1997, in a brand new comic strip series which ran in the BBC's television and radio listings magazine, the Radio Times. Only five stories were published, but they brought the Doctor's comics adventures to a new and wider audience, and also gave him two new companions in Stacy Townsend and the Ice Warrior Ssard (who, rather oddly, later ended up becoming a couple in one of the novels, proving that apparently, species doesn't have to be a barrier to true love). Over in the pages of DWM, though, things were becoming rather more complicated...
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Post by tingramretro on Jun 15, 2016 9:33:34 GMT -5
The early 1990s had been a period of expansion for Marvel UK, but by 1995 both they and their American parent company had seriously overreached themselves. With the Marvel UK line of original comics having collapsed, the company was sold off by Marvel to Panini Publishing, who have retained the rights to publish reprints of Marvel material in the UK ever since. As part of the deal, Panini also took over Doctor Who Magazine, although Marvel's licence with the BBC still being in force meant that DWM kept the Marvel UK logo on its cover until the end of 1999. Art by Martin Geraghty from 'The Land of Happy Endings', DWM #337.The eighth Doctor's comics debut in DWM came in issue #244 in October 1996, in the story Endgame. Ironically, given that by now DWM was a Marvel UK publication in name only, this story was heavily rooted in past Marvel UK continuity, seeing the return of the village of Stockbridge and U.F.O spotter Maxwell Edison, both of them unseen since the fifth Doctor's era. It also gave the Doctor a new companion in drifter Isobel 'Izzy' Sinclair, who would go on to have one of the most bafflingly complex life journeys of any companion, including spending more than two years stuck in the body of an amphibious alien, the amoral Destrii (who would eventually replace her as the Doctor's companion once they'd been body swapped back). Other highlights of the eighth Doctor's mammoth run in DWM (which lasted from October 1996 to March 2005) included the long awaited return of shadowy time agent Shayde, an apparent regeneration for the Doctor in the now infamous story Wormwood which ran for five months in 1998, and the rather unexpected return of the long absent but fondly remembered DWM character Kroton the Cyberman, who actually joined the Doctor and Izzy on their travels from #284-296 before even more unexpectedly ascending to godhood as the new Centre of the Omniversal Spectrum! Kroton's return was courtesy of writer Scott Gray (who has now probably written more Doctor Who comics than anyone) and artist Adrian Salmon, but the bulk of the eighth Doctor's era in DWM (most of which was written by Gray) was drawn by Martin Geraghty, who was responsible for 17 of the 30 serials published over the eight and a half year period; he is now generally regarded as the definitive eighth Doctor comics artist. He is also the artist who, in the rather surreal strip The Land of Happy Endings, briefly brought back TV Comic companions John and Gillian, but I'm sure that wasn't his fault. One final word on the "Wormwood Doctor" of 1998; while he eventually turned out to be merely a deception perpetrated by the real Doctor to defeat the alien Threshold, this fake regeneration was originally intended to test the waters and see if the readership would accept a new Doctor unique to the magazine, since by now it was reckoned that the chances of the Time Lord ever returning to TV played by Paul McGann or by anyone else were now pretty slim. Luckily, DWM were wrong about that, but it is perhaps only fitting that physically, the fake "ninth Doctor" was deliberately patterned by Geraghty on one of the people who more than anyone else helped keep the franchise alive during the "Wilderness years", head of Big Finish Productions and now voice of the Daleks Nicholas Briggs...
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Post by Confessor on Jun 15, 2016 21:18:10 GMT -5
Really interesting posts there, as always, tingramretro. I rememeber watching the Paul McGann TV special in the mid-90s and I rather liked it. My memory of it is hazy, but it began with Sylvester McCoy still being the Doctor, didn't it? I seem to remember he was rushed to an American hospital with some life threatening condition at the start of the program. The thing that bugged me about that special though was a really minor thing, all in all, and that was that there was no explanation as to why the inside of the TARDIS looked completely different to how it always had. I believe it was all steampunky looking inside, with loads of brass fittings and other Victorian-esque tech. They could've offered the most silly explanation in a throw away line of dialogue and I'd have been happy with it, but that fact that it was never mentioned at all really bugged me. I know that's a silly thing to get annoyed about, but it's one of the chief things I remember about the special now, so it must've really bothered me, I guess. McGann was a good Doctor Who though, as I recall, and I'd definitely have liked to have seen more of him in the role.
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Post by tingramretro on Jun 16, 2016 0:32:20 GMT -5
Really interesting posts there, as always, tingramretro. I rememeber watching the Paul McGann TV special in the mid-90s and I rather liked it. My memory of it is hazy, but it began with Sylvester McCoy still being the Doctor, didn't it? I seem to remember he was rushed to an American hospital with some life threatening condition at the start of the program. The thing that bugged me about that special though was a really minor thing, all in all, and that was that there was no explanation as to why the inside of the TARDIS looked completely different to how it always had. I believe it was all steampunky looking inside, with loads of brass fittings and other Victorian-esque tech. They could've offered the most silly explanation in a throw away line of dialogue and I'd have been happy with it, but that fact that it was never mentioned at all really bugged me. I know that's a silly thing to get annoyed about, but it's one of the chief things I remember about the special now, so it must've really bothered me, I guess. McGann was a good Doctor Who though, as I recall, and I'd definitely have liked to have seen more of him in the role. The life threatening condition was that he'd been shot by a street gang. He'd have recovered if the attending surgeon hadn't inexplicably failed to notice that he wasn't human; as it was, he died and regenerated. The TARDIS has actually gone through a number of redesigns over the years, the first major one being in 1976, and then again in 1983. It's capable of reconfiguring its own internal architecture, so the admittedly drastic change in the TV movie actually didn't pose a problem in terms of continuity with the show's past. Did you ever catch McGann's brief return to the screen in the Night of the Doctor mini-episode in 2013?
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Post by Confessor on Jun 16, 2016 7:56:10 GMT -5
The life threatening condition was that he'd been shot by a street gang. He'd have recovered if the attending surgeon hadn't inexplicably failed to notice that he wasn't human; as it was, he died and regenerated. Ah, that's right...I remember that now. His Gallifreyan anatomy was outside of the surgeon's experience, unsurprisingly. I vaguely remember them making mention of the fact that the Doctor had two hearts. The TARDIS has actually gone through a number of redesigns over the years, the first major one being in 1976, and then again in 1983. It's capable of reconfiguring its own internal architecture, so the admittedly drastic change in the TV movie actually didn't pose a problem in terms of continuity with the show's past. Had the concept of the TARDIS reconfiguring its own interior come up prior to the McGann TV special though? Or was that something that later writers retconed? To be honest, even if it had been stated prior to the McGann special, the change in the TARDIS's interior from the '60s to the 80s was negligible to the casual viewer. I mean, look at these stills of the main control console in the '60s, '70s and '80s... There's not really much difference to the room at all over the decades -- certainly not the sort of difference a casual viewer of the show would notice. However, McGann's TARDIS really did look very different on the inside... Personally, I felt that such a radical redesign should've been mentioned or explained in some way. Especially if such a change had some basis in established TARDIS and Whovian law. That's just me, though. Did you ever catch McGann's brief return to the screen in the Night of the Doctor mini-episode in 2013? No I didn't, I'm afraid. You're probably going to view this as heresy, but I'm not a fan of the "new" Doctor Who show that's been running since the mid-2000s at all. I've tried watching a few episodes, but I felt that the series had lost much of its original charm. It's also possible that I'm not the biggest Doctor Who fan anyway and the show was something that I only enjoyed as a child because I was at the right age to be into it.
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Post by tingramretro on Jun 16, 2016 9:03:30 GMT -5
The TARDIS was actually regarded as being in some way alive and able to exert an influence over its interior from very early on; it's first demonstrated in the two parter The Edge of Destruction in 1964, which was only the third serial. It has been referenced far more often in the new series, though. I think the McGann movie control room probably owes a lot to this one, the "secondary control room", from Tom Baker's third season.
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Post by Confessor on Jun 16, 2016 9:08:21 GMT -5
The TARDIS was actually regarded as being in some way alive and able to exert an influence over its interior from very early on; it's first demonstrated in the two parter The Edge of Destruction in 1964, which was only the third serial. It has been referenced far more often in the new series, though. I think the McGann movie control room probably owes a lot to this one, the "secondary control room", from Tom Baker's third season. OK, I didn't realise that, but it just reinforces my belief that something really should've been said about this ability of the TADIS's in the McGann special. I've never seen that secondary control room before. Very cool.
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Post by tingramretro on Jun 16, 2016 9:22:58 GMT -5
The TARDIS was actually regarded as being in some way alive and able to exert an influence over its interior from very early on; it's first demonstrated in the two parter The Edge of Destruction in 1964, which was only the third serial. It has been referenced far more often in the new series, though. I think the McGann movie control room probably owes a lot to this one, the "secondary control room", from Tom Baker's third season. OK, I didn't realise that, but it just reinforces my belief that something really should've been said about this ability of the TARDIS's in the McGann special. I've never seen that secondary control room before. Very cool. It is. Sadly, it only lasted one season-I gather the set was somehow damaged while in storage after that, so the following season they went back to the old white one by necessity (and without any in-story explanation). Interestingly, it appears that whichever control room is in use becomes automatically mapped onto the exterior doors; the Doctor at one point explains to Sarah Jane Smith that this is "the old control room", which he had forgotten about, but they are then able to exit the Police Box directly from its main door rather than needing to go back to the one they'd previously been using. You may actually be the only person I have ever heard complain that there was too little explanatory dialogue in the TV movie. Most people complain that it was dragged down by the weight of past continuity...
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Post by String on Jun 16, 2016 18:24:40 GMT -5
I've read very little of the Eighth Doctor's DWM adventures. The Panini collections of them have always been on my to-buy list though.
I loved McGann as the Doctor, his mannerisms, costume and such, he seemed to draw upon a combination of the best elements that make up a good Doctor. That mini-episode was brilliant, a wonderful showing. With all his comics, Big Finish audios, and novels, one could argue that despite only been seen on TV twice, more material has been released/published about McGann's Doctor than any of the others.
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Post by tingramretro on Jun 17, 2016 0:01:58 GMT -5
I've read very little of the Eighth Doctor's DWM adventures. The Panini collections of them have always been on my to-buy list though. I loved McGann as the Doctor, his mannerisms, costume and such, he seemed to draw upon a combination of the best elements that make up a good Doctor. That mini-episode was brilliant, a wonderful showing. With all his comics, Big Finish audios, and novels, one could argue that despite only been seen on TV twice, more material has been released/published about McGann's Doctor than any of the others. I suspect that may actually be true. Certainly, having done over 75 audio stories, McGann himself has probably played the Doctor in about as many individual stories as Tom Baker.
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Post by Confessor on Jun 17, 2016 7:33:45 GMT -5
I've read very little of the Eighth Doctor's DWM adventures. The Panini collections of them have always been on my to-buy list though. I loved McGann as the Doctor, his mannerisms, costume and such, he seemed to draw upon a combination of the best elements that make up a good Doctor. That mini-episode was brilliant, a wonderful showing. With all his comics, Big Finish audios, and novels, one could argue that despite only been seen on TV twice, more material has been released/published about McGann's Doctor than any of the others. I suspect that may actually be true. Certainly, having done over 75 audio stories, McGann himself has probably played the Doctor in about as many individual stories as Tom Baker. This is amazing to me. I don't doubt that it's true for a second, but in my mind McGann only played the Doctor once, as I had no idea about his second TV appearance or the audio plays. Fascinating stuff.
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Post by tingramretro on Jun 17, 2016 7:43:09 GMT -5
I suspect that may actually be true. Certainly, having done over 75 audio stories, McGann himself has probably played the Doctor in about as many individual stories as Tom Baker. This is amazing to me. I don't doubt that it's true for a second, but in my mind McGann only played the Doctor once, as I had no idea about his second TV appearance or the audio plays. Fascinating stuff. To the mainstream TV audience, he's the forgotten Doctor, but the eighth Doctor has been a fan favourite for twenty years now, and for my money, Night of the Doctor, which showed his ultimate fate, was the undoubted highlight of the 50th anniversary year (it is actually up on Youtube, if you fancy checking it out). And thankfully, his audio adventures are continuing with the Doom Coalition series.
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Post by Confessor on Jun 17, 2016 9:10:16 GMT -5
This is amazing to me. I don't doubt that it's true for a second, but in my mind McGann only played the Doctor once, as I had no idea about his second TV appearance or the audio plays. Fascinating stuff. To the mainstream TV audience, he's the forgotten Doctor, but the eighth Doctor has been a fan favourite for twenty years now, and for my money, Night of the Doctor, which showed his ultimate fate, was the undoubted highlight of the 50th anniversary year (it is actually up on Youtube, if you fancy checking it out). And thankfully, his audio adventures are continuing with the Doom Coalition series. I just watched that Night of the Doctor mini-special and it was quite interesting, but it also reminded me of exactly why I don't like the newer Doctor Who series. It's all just soooooo made for America. Every line of dialogue has either got to be a funny wisecrack or an oh-so-serious, half shouted, po-faced declaration of the utmost importance -- with barely any middle ground between the two. I found the dialogue in that Night of the Doctor short to be exactly the same kind of over the top, angst ridden scripting that I've seen in other popular U.S. sci-fi dramas like The 100, the rebooted Battlestar Galactica or even Firefly. Nobody talks like that in the real world and I find that kind of unrelentingly serious, quasi-action movie dialogue excruciating. Gone forever is the gentle pace, quirky British eccentricity (which is a different thing to just acting a bit odd, which is what actors like David Tennant and Matt Smith seem to do in their portrayals of the Doctor) and creeping eeriness of the Jon Pertwee, Tom Baker, or Peter Davison era seemingly. Yeah, I'm not a fan of post-2005 Doctor Who at all. Although I haven't actually seen any of the Peter Capaldi episodes, I'll admit.
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Post by tingramretro on Jun 17, 2016 9:32:33 GMT -5
To the mainstream TV audience, he's the forgotten Doctor, but the eighth Doctor has been a fan favourite for twenty years now, and for my money, Night of the Doctor, which showed his ultimate fate, was the undoubted highlight of the 50th anniversary year (it is actually up on Youtube, if you fancy checking it out). And thankfully, his audio adventures are continuing with the Doom Coalition series. I just watched that Night of the Doctor mini-special and it was quite interesting, but it also reminded me of exactly why I don't like the newer Doctor Who series. It's all just soooooo made for America. Every line of dialogue has either got to be a funny wisecrack or an oh-so-serious, half shouted, po-faced declaration of the utmost importance. I found the dialogue in that Night of the Doctor short to be exactly the same kind of over the top, angst ridden scripting that I've seen in other popular U.S. sci-fi dramas like The 100, the rebooted Battlestar Galactica or even Firefly. Nobody talks like that in the real world and I find that kind of unrelentingly serious, quasi-action movie dialogue excruciating. Gone forever is the gentle pace, quirky British eccentricity (which is a different thing to just acting a bit odd, which is what so-called actors like David Tennant and Matt Smith seem to do in their portrayals of the Doctor) and creeping eeriness of the Jon Pertwee, Tom Baker, or Peter Davison era seemingly. Yeah, I'm not a fan of post-2005 Doctor Who at all. Although I haven't actually seen any of the Peter Capaldi episodes, I'll admit. Thing is, it's not being made for America; it's just being made primarily for a young British audience that is now pretty much used to the kind of shows that are made for America (see also: Sherlock). Essentially, this is what the BBC feels the target audience will respond to, because it' what they were already watching elsewhere, mostly in the form of US imports. The kind of TV drama we grew up with is basically a thing of the past, so I think the key to enjoying it is to manage one's expectations. I hated the whole Russell T Davies/David Tennant era-it was a huge shock to the system and it just never felt like Doctor Who to me. But I've loved pretty much all of what Steven Moffat has done with the show since taking over in 2010, with the last series (Capaldi's second) being up there with mid 70s Tom Baker for me, I really felt it was the best in decades. It's still not classic Who, but it's just as legitimate in its own way. It's TV of its time, which is what Doctor Who always was. There are huge differences between 60s Who and 80s Who, after all...
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Post by Confessor on Jun 17, 2016 9:42:27 GMT -5
That's all true enough, of course, but "made for American audiences" or "made as a copy of shows that are made for American audiences" pretty much amounts to the same thing.
For the record, although I'm a HUGE fan of the original Arthur Conan Doyle Sherlock Holmes stories, the BBC's Sherlock series also looks atrocious to me.
I get that I'm not the target audience for the recent Doctor Who series...especially since, as I've noted, I'm not even that into Doctor Who. And I totally understand why the BBC would make the program that way nowadays. But unfortunately it's also exactly the sort of TV I try to avoid on the whole.
Anyway, I'm loving the thread as always, so keep up the good work, my friend.
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