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Post by berkley on Dec 1, 2015 2:32:06 GMT -5
I have never read Spider-Man on his own. I have the 1st omnibus, I just have not read it yet. But now I want to read that ^^^ stuff. Spider-Man has one of the more consistent voices in the MU. His flippancy remained very much on-model well beyond the Stan Lee era. It's a testament, I think to Lee's tapping into the anti-authoritarian Everyman that is a hallmark of the American urban experience. I dunno ... verbally humiliating an opponent "hopelessly out of his depth" isn't really very anti-authoritarian, is it? The taunting of physically outmatched adversaries like the ones in panels shown above always strikes me as an example of the ugly side of super-hero comics, revelling in the superior power of the heroes the reader is meant to identify with. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 1, 2015 6:11:53 GMT -5
Yikes! You certainly took it personally . Spider-man wasn't talking about you.  |
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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 1, 2015 9:37:13 GMT -5
But how does she really feel? |
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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 1, 2015 9:49:37 GMT -5
I could have sworn I posted this page yesterday, but I can't see it anywhere. So if you saw it already, I apologize. Anyway, it's a pretty chilling little exchange between Swamp Thing and Arcane in Hell:  |
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Post by Warmonger on Dec 1, 2015 11:54:12 GMT -5
I could have sworn I posted this page yesterday, but I can't see it anywhere. So if you saw it already, I apologize. Anyway, it's a pretty chilling little exchange between Swamp Thing and Arcane in Hell: One of my favorite panels ever from my favorite run. |
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Post by berkley on Dec 1, 2015 17:29:25 GMT -5
Yikes! You certainly took it personally . Spider-man wasn't talking about you. Yes he was, the big bully! *sniff* Seriously, this kind of basking in the protagonist's superiority is a problem with superheroes in general, IMO, and something writers should always be on their guard against because it's an easy trap to fall into, given the nature of the genre. This is one of the reasons I dislike the Hulk so much, and Superman and Batman. |
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Post by DE Sinclair on Dec 2, 2015 10:18:07 GMT -5
I could have sworn I posted this page yesterday, but I can't see it anywhere. So if you saw it already, I apologize. Anyway, it's a pretty chilling little exchange between Swamp Thing and Arcane in Hell: One of my favorite panels ever from my favorite run. I wasn't a regular Swamp Thing reader, but I had this issue (wasn't it the annual?), and I remember this panel. It perfectly portrayed his anguish at finding out what he'd thought was years of torture were actually hours. Uber-creepy. |
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Post by dupersuper on Dec 3, 2015 13:03:02 GMT -5
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Post by dupersuper on Dec 3, 2015 13:04:27 GMT -5
Though, as Kyle rightly points out:  |
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Post by DubipR on Dec 3, 2015 14:17:14 GMT -5
A modern classic....  |
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Post by tingramretro on Dec 3, 2015 14:23:06 GMT -5
The line which for me, totally sums up my favourite comics character, Brian Braddock-Captain Britain:  |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Dec 3, 2015 16:04:54 GMT -5
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Post by Phil Maurice on Dec 3, 2015 16:24:54 GMT -5
Seriously, this kind of basking in the protagonist's superiority is a problem with superheroes in general, IMO, and something writers should always be on their guard against because it's an easy trap to fall into, given the nature of the genre. This is one of the reasons I dislike the Hulk so much, and Superman and Batman. Well, all right. That's certainly a valid point, but consider the broader context of Spider-Man, typically shown to be insecure, anxious, and troubled by his conscience. These feelings of inadequacy are reinforced again and again by members of his supporting cast, not a few of whom are authority figures (Jonah Jameson being perhaps the most prominent).
So these moments where Spider-Man is confident in his abilities and secure that his actions serve what he sees as the greater good are not so much "basking in his superiority" as assuring him (and the reader) that, though his detractors may be powerful and vocal, they are in fact utterly and completely wrong in their judgment of his character.
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Post by Warmonger on Jan 3, 2016 23:36:57 GMT -5
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jan 3, 2016 23:53:54 GMT -5
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