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Post by berkley on Dec 15, 2015 5:35:27 GMT -5
#11 Richard CorbenCorben has done a lot of excellent work but the first Den story, Neverwhere is the one that I first encountered, in the pages of Heavy Metal: Corben's famous for his use of nudity, but while this is an important aspect of his work I see it as just another facet of its overall physicality - you don't often see the effects of a punch to the face (of the protagonist, no less) depicted as viscerally as this: He has a real artist's interest in things like form and colour, contour and shade, for their own sake as much as for their connection to anything human. There's a scene in Den I couldn't find an online image of with the sky full of swirling colours that could never occur any where but in such a fantastical, imagined world, and that panel is as emblematic of his work to me as anything I can think of.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 15, 2015 6:00:22 GMT -5
11. Jeff Jones (Jeffrey Catherine Jones at death) Truly an artist's artist. Jones' art is always beautiful, intelligent and intriguing.
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Post by foxley on Dec 15, 2015 6:58:20 GMT -5
All her friends were ..ahem.. Healthy. Well, Jinky is pretty...ahem...'healthy' in real life. And if you're going to create fictionalized version of yourself and your friends, why not enhance your attributes?
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 15, 2015 7:16:33 GMT -5
Where can I get these *ahem* issues?
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Post by foxley on Dec 15, 2015 7:32:34 GMT -5
Where can I get these *ahem* issues? Sirius collected the first miniseries as a trade paperback.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 15, 2015 8:07:00 GMT -5
#11 Richard Corben Corben is a great example of a great creative artist who does everything and doesn't seem to simply bide his time until he's offered a penciling gig on Captain Superhero. From the earliest days he's been doing his own thing, and nobody's ever been as good at it as he was. His masterful use of color, as in your example, must be seen to be believed... it's just so damn good. I recall starting buying Heavy Metal just so I could read his serialized Bloodstar graphic novel. (That there were titties in the mag was just an added bonus to the teenage me!) A fine, fine artist... and I can't believe I totally forgot about him when writing up my own list!!!
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Dec 15, 2015 8:31:18 GMT -5
Me too, but I guess this was because I always associate him with other writers, when his work is the strongest IMHO.
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Post by Pól Rua on Dec 16, 2015 11:03:50 GMT -5
My second choice is not exactly the most prolific creator, but I'll be damned if he didn't create one of the world's most original comic book series. #11: Larry MarderBilled as 'a most unusual comic book experience', 'Tales of the Beanworld' establishes a strange, new world which exists due to a complex ecological process. The art is deceptively simple, and narrative mostly centres on how the Beanworld's inhabitants react to changes in their world, whether it be from outside the 'world' or from the actions of the world's inhabitants. Characters include Proffy, the Beanworld's scientist, Beanish, a bean who 'breaks out' and becomes an artist, and Mister Spook, the Beanworld's hero. The series' visual simplicity allows the reader to immerse themselves fully in the narrative - the series has been described as a 'process' or an 'experience' rather than a story - without being distracted by irrelevancies, and yet the series is so completely charming and engaging, filled with mysteries to explore, wonders to experience and problems which the Beans will have to figure out how they're going to deal with.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 16, 2015 12:48:48 GMT -5
Random thoughts on Day the Second.
People are hitting me with all kinds of cartoonists I'm completely unfamiliar with. Victor Moscoso. Lynd Ward. Johnen Vasquez. Dylan Horrocks. Ray Billingsley. Naoki Urasawa. Jinky Coronado.
I have nothing but the greatest respect for Jack Kirby. And I love a lot of his work. But I think he was best when working with someone else, whether it was Joe Simon or Stan Lee. I really have never been able to read his Fourth World work at all. It just doesn't work for me.
I love me some Dave Stevens. And he might still make my list. If he doesn't, I won't feel super bad because he's getting a ton of love here.
Jack Cole is another who will probably earn an Honorable Mention. Not for lack of talent. I just haven't read a huge amount of Plastic Man. I also really love his panel gags.
Don Rosa is another Honorable Mention. Can only fit one Duck artist on the list and it has to be the master.
I've heard of Charles Burns...but I've never read any of his work. It just never seemed the sort of thing I'd like.
I love Al Jaffee sooooo much! He didn't make my list, but he is a definite Honorable Mention. And I have and cherish the slip-cased hardcover edition of his Mad fold-ins.
Steve Moncuse was an unexpected surprise. I haven't read Fish Police in eons. But I was just looking for the short-lived TV cartoon a few days ago.
Gary Larson and the Far Side are simply outstanding. I'm just not 100% sure they'll end up on my list. But they almost certainly should. And probably will.
Man...I don't know how I forgot about Shanower. I love Age of Bronze and it was one of the last floppies that I ever bought regularly...back when it still came out kind of regularly. When the first issue of Age of Bronze came out I was still in law school and my third son hadn't even been born yet.
I know Robert Minor's work...but I could never have put a name to it. Which makes me sad because I'm a big fan of political cartoons. I'm ashamed.
John Byrne. I like his FF. I loved Batman-Captain America.
George Herriman and Krazy Kat are amazing. And probably deserving of being on my list. But I kind of like the idea of the strip more than the execution. It's a strip I read often...but I want to read three or four Sundays, savor them, and then come back for more a week or two later. I really do think it reads better over time rather than in a big sitting.
Jeff Jones. Such an amazing talent. I remember when he was so incredibly huge for such limited output. Great choice.
I really want to read Tales of Beanworld now.
I think I like the idea of Richard Corben better than I like his actual work.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 16, 2015 23:33:12 GMT -5
Random thoughts on Day the Second. People are hitting me with all kinds of cartoonists I'm completely unfamiliar with. Victor Moscoso. Lynd Ward. Johnen Vasquez. Dylan Horrocks. Ray Billingsley. Naoki Urasawa. Jinky Coronado. I have nothing but the greatest respect for Jack Kirby. And I love a lot of his work. But I think he was best when working with someone else, whether it was Joe Simon or Stan Lee. I really have never been able to read his Fourth World work at all. It just doesn't work for me. I love me some Dave Stevens. And he might still make my list. If he doesn't, I won't feel super bad because he's getting a ton of love here. Jack Cole is another who will probably earn an Honorable Mention. Not for lack of talent. I just haven't read a huge amount of Plastic Man. I also really love his panel gags. Don Rosa is another Honorable Mention. Can only fit one Duck artist on the list and it has to be the master. I've heard of Charles Burns...but I've never read any of his work. It just never seemed the sort of thing I'd like. I love Al Jaffee sooooo much! He didn't make my list, but he is a definite Honorable Mention. And I have and cherish the slip-cased hardcover edition of his Mad fold-ins. Steve Moncuse was an unexpected surprise. I haven't read Fish Police in eons. But I was just looking for the short-lived TV cartoon a few days ago. Gary Larson and the Far Side are simply outstanding. I'm just not 100% sure they'll end up on my list. But they almost certainly should. And probably will. Man...I don't know how I forgot about Shanower. I love Age of Bronze and it was one of the last floppies that I ever bought regularly...back when it still came out kind of regularly. When the first issue of Age of Bronze came out I was still in law school and my third son hadn't even been born yet. I know Robert Minor's work...but I could never have put a name to it. Which makes me sad because I'm a big fan of political cartoons. I'm ashamed. John Byrne. I like his FF. I loved Batman-Captain America. George Herriman and Krazy Kat are amazing. And probably deserving of being on my list. But I kind of like the idea of the strip more than the execution. It's a strip I read often...but I want to read three or four Sundays, savor them, and then come back for more a week or two later. I really do think it reads better over time rather than in a big sitting. Jeff Jones. Such an amazing talent. I remember when he was so incredibly huge for such limited output. Great choice. I really want to read Tales of Beanworld now. I think I like the idea of Richard Corben better than I like his actual work. I was a huge fan of the cartoon of Fish Police as well, it was different than the comic but fun.
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Post by Pól Rua on Dec 17, 2015 0:28:38 GMT -5
Dylan Horrocks is a positive tonic. 'Hicksville', and its recent thematic successor, 'Sam Zabel and the Magic Pen' both start with their lead characters trapped in a rut and disgusted with the whole business of comics - tired, jaded and well and truly over the whole business. And in both cases, go through very different experiences which demonstrate how a lot of the barriers to the sheer, unbridled joy of words and pictures are ones that we build ourselves, in our minds, and when freed of these self-imposed restrictions, it's possible to rediscover the potential of the medium.
All of this sounds fairly twee and Capra-esque, and in the hands of a lesser creator, it easily could be. But there are no quick fixes, and no easy outs. There's no magic wand (even in the story with the Magic Pen!) that can just solve all your problems. It's top-notch stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 2:39:43 GMT -5
MRP's CReator Slam Day 2
So right off the bat Cei-U and Shax give me two I am unfamiliar with beyond having heard the name's and being vaguely aware of them with Victor Moscoso and Lyn Ward
Kirby was on my initial list and considered for the short list, but his scripting can be uneven sometimes, and if I am in the wrong headspace when I try to read it it can be a slog for me-most times I chew through it no problem, but there are times I just can't, so ultimately I left him off the short list. It was a little easier to do knowing he would get some love from the folks here.
Dave Stevens was another oversight on my part, glad folks here mentioned him though.
I really need to read more Jack Cole and Don Rosa
I had heard of/seen Johnny the Homicidal Maniac, so was vaguely aware of Vasquez, not that I could have told you who the creator of it was, but serial killer stories usually hold absolutely no appeal to me (with very rare exceptions), so I've never given it any consideration.
Charles Burns is another I should like, I've just never gotten into. Maybe one day I'll get around to checking more of it out.
Al Jaffee is another I was vaguely aware of through Mad, but never really got into much.
Steve Moncuse is an intriguing choice. Fish Police was always on the periphery of books I checked out during the black and white boom, but never followed regularly.
I am not as big a fan of the Far Side as most folks. There were times when I found a panel spectacularly good and highly amusing,and would run around showing everyone, cutting it out and taping it up on a the wall above my dorm desk, but then I would go weeks of reading it and be just meh, ok and move on and not giving it a second thought.
Wally Wood is another I am more familiar with the art than the writing and just haven't read much of his scripting.
Eric Shanower made my short list-final list? wait and see.
Robert Minor was someone I was unfamiliar with, great choice though.
I was vaguely familiar with the Curtis strip, but could not have told you Ray Billingsley was the cartoonist who did it. Solid stuff though.
John Byrne was a name I thought of when I made my list of cartoonists, but he didn't get any serious consideration for inclusion. I like his stuff, don't love it, like his art better than his writing and find at times he is way too self-indulgent when he plots and scripts things, and pacing is not his strong suit as a writer. I usually enjoy reading his stuff, but never enough to go back for seconds unless he is collaborating with someone else.
Jurgens repeat from day 1, like but don't love his stuff. Bob Layton gets added to that list for me.
Herriman is a creator I am more familiar with for his historical significance and influence than I am with his actual work. I need to remedy that.
Naoki Urasawa and Jinky Coronado were two I was unfamiliar with.
More Jeff Smith love, well deserved, and it's wait and see to find out if/where on my final list Smith might land.
I am more familiar with Jeffrey Catherine Jones as an illustrator (particularly covers for paperbacks) than I am with any comic work Jones did.
Corben was an acquired taste for me. When I fist discovered Corben in Epic Illustrated when I bought issues for Metamorphosis Odyssey, I didn't like it, but when I revisited Corben's work years later (post-undergrad) I fell in love with it, but he didn't make my short list as I am not as enamored with his scripting.
Larry Marder was more a name I was familiar with than having any clear idea of what he worked on and embarassingly, I always confuse him with Larry Mahlstedt the inker for some unknown reason. I see Marder's name and for some reason I think hey he's the inker on Baron's Flash wasn't he? and I am always embarassingly wrong.
and that wraps day 2
-M
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Post by Dr. Hfuhruhurr on Dec 17, 2015 11:05:57 GMT -5
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 17, 2015 11:11:06 GMT -5
I didn't think of Goldberg, but that's a great choice. He was endlessly inventive.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Dec 17, 2015 11:17:53 GMT -5
I had heard of/seen Johnny the Homicidal Maniac, so was vaguely aware of Vasquez, not that I could have told you who the creator of it was, but serial killer stories usually hold absolutely no appeal to me (with very rare exceptions), so I've never given it any consideration. It really isn't a serial killer story though, there's killings sure, but the focus isn't there. It's on the manic and zany burst from Johny, his schemes and his relation wit hhis kid neighbour. It's a great satire of its times
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