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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 18, 2015 10:39:44 GMT -5
I agree with your exact sentiment of "what speaks to you" and not necessarily "great". It's funny, but over the years, I think I have most of those issues and still haven't read Scout. It looks good though. Totally agree with the rest. Loved Hawkworld, Jonah Hex, and Grimjack as well. Don't forget; he did Starslayer too. Not a great series, but his art was sure nice on it. Wasn't Starslayer Mike Grell? (I only have the two issues w/ the Rocketeer). Initially yes, but he gave it up very quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2015 11:01:57 GMT -5
I agree with your exact sentiment of "what speaks to you" and not necessarily "great". It's funny, but over the years, I think I have most of those issues and still haven't read Scout. It looks good though. Totally agree with the rest. Loved Hawkworld, Jonah Hex, and Grimjack as well. Don't forget; he did Starslayer too. Not a great series, but his art was sure nice on it. Wasn't Starslayer Mike Grell? (I only have the two issues w/ the Rocketeer). For a while, it seemed like Truman was doing 75% or Eclipse's output, but I never picked any up (though I was picking up Mr. Monster and a lot of their reprint titles). Wasn't Starslayer Mike Grell? (I only have the two issues w/ the Rocketeer). Initially yes, but he gave it up very quickly. I think Grell did the Pacific issues but after the switch to First he only did a couple of issues before moving on to Jon Sable. -M
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Post by hondobrode on Dec 18, 2015 12:43:52 GMT -5
Truman was on Starslayer from # 14 to # 25
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Post by MWGallaher on Dec 21, 2015 12:16:09 GMT -5
9: Jim Woodring
In recent years, I've realized something about my tastes in fiction. The stuff that really pushes my buttons is the weird, mysterious, vague work that doesn't explain everything, maybe doesn't even explain much of anything. The Prisoner, Eraserhead, Twin Peaks, Lost, Finnegans Wake, the novels of Paul Auster, Mark Danielewski's House Of Leaves. I don't want things spelled out entirely. Leave room for my brain, my interpretation, my confusion, give me something to think about not just for hours, but for months, for years even. Jim Woodring's work fits in with that. It's a dream, a nightmare, a trip to an amazingly drawn alternate reality where you can't count on your own experience, where expectations are defied, defiled, deified. His worlds are disturbing but coherent, they make my brain work and leave me in awe.
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Post by Pól Rua on Dec 22, 2015 2:53:41 GMT -5
I love the hell out of Jim Woodring. He does that amazing balancing act of presenting something where you can't necessarily make sense out of it... but you know that it makes sense if you just knew how to unlock it.
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Post by zilch on Dec 24, 2015 23:44:51 GMT -5
Well, a popular choice...
Keno Don Rosa...
for... (i got a lot of these ellipses cheap!...)
Captain Kentucky!
What? No Uncle Scrooge? No Duck work??
I've been a big Rosa fan for a LONG time. He nailed it for me with his weekly strip for the local Louisville paper that took the erstwhile star of Pertwillaby Papers and had him exposed to a toxic chemical and granted Superman like powers and interacted with menaces and horrors around Louisville with plenty of cameos from local celebrities. It was reprinted in The Comic Reader and a one-shot.
And imagine Krypto as a Basset Hound that really acts like a dog. Freakin' hillarious!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2015 18:25:13 GMT -5
#9: Scott McCloud HUGE, HUGE fan of "Zot" and one of the very first b&w "indie" books I supported every month from the comic shop. just the exuberance and joy that Zot! exuded on every page. . won me over immediately. but let's be honest. .he made my list for his series of Understanding Comics. he defined (actually, re-defined) how I, and many others, looked at Comic Book storytelling.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 12:20:25 GMT -5
Back into superhero comics for my next choice. Later in this series, he totally lost his way, and I've not much enjoyed anything he did afterwards, but for the first couple of years of the series, he lifted a moribund comic back to the heights of "World's Greatest Comics Magazine" - #9 is John Byrne for Fantastic Four
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Post by berkley on Jan 3, 2016 0:44:42 GMT -5
a few Day 4 comments:
P. Craig Russell: too bad he couldn't sustain the detail and general high quality of this preview in his full-length Ring adaptation, which on the whole was a disappointment to me. One of my very favourite artists when he's on his game, as he most certainly is in the Siegfried illustration posted by shaxper above.
Darwyn Cooke: this may be shallow of me but I just don't find his artwork attractive. His characters look squat and pudgy and I can't drum up any interest in what they're doing.
J. Scott Campbell: as with Cooke's, I find this art so unattractive I lose all interest in the the characters and their story. This looks to me just like Jim Lee and a zillion other current comics artists I couldn't name but avoid on sight.
Gilbert Hernandez: one of my own picks, I'd just like to say here that I wish he'd bring back Petra (pictured above) and some of his other characters, e.g. Maria, instead of concentrating on Fritz all the time as he has been doing lately.
Art Spiegelman: Haven't read anything. The highly-acclaimed Maus has never attracted me. I'm probably being totally unfair, but from the excerpts I've read, I don't see what it would add to our understanding of the Holocaust. The whole exercise feels dubious to me. The evil of the Nazis and the horror of the concentration camps seems so apparent that I think this theme has to be treated with great skill and subtlety to make the basis of a full-length work. WG Sebald's The Emigrants, is the best example I can think of from recent decades. Maybe I'll try something else of Speigelman's first and see if that can convince me to give Maus a try.
Joe Sacco: I probably haven't given him enough of a try. Like I said in a npther thread about Lynn Johnston, I kind of admire him on principle but the work itself leaves me a bit cold. His art feels solid and workmanlike but a little dull to me.
Keith Knight: first I've heard of him and I like the look of the samples here. I like cartoonists who can create an effective drawing out of a few deft strokes as Knight does in some of the panels above.
Hal Foster: I'd say he was one of the very best artists ever to work in comics. His style may seem a little static to modern readers (including myself) brought up on the more dynamic action of superhero comics, but a little time effort should enable anyone to appreciate Foster's work, which hearkens back to the detailed illustrations of 19th-century cartoonists trained in fine arts rather than in the more insular world of comics. I haven't read enough Prince Valiant to comment on his wrting.
Alex Raymond: was going to be on my list until I learned here that he didn't write Flash Gordon. Seminal comics artist, and a great influence on one of my later favourites, Al Williamson (who didn't write anything that I know of so was not eligible this year).
Jim Woodring: Someone I've never gotten round to trying. I'll have to remedy that one of these days.
Scott McLoud: His stuff doesn't appeal to me - even Understanding Comics I still haven't read, partly because the narrator looks to me like the kind of stereotypical self-effacing nerd I'm a little fed up with in general in pop culture.
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Post by foxley on Jan 3, 2016 1:31:08 GMT -5
a few Day 4 comments: Darwyn Cooke: this may be shallow of me but I just don't find his artwork attractive. His characters look squat and pudgy and I can't drum up any interest in what they're doing. And yet you love Kirby who makes everybody look like a caveman? I realise that I am in a minority in that I find Kirby's artwork underwhelming, but I honestly don't get how you can say Cooke makes everyone look squat and pudgy while singing Kirby's praises. I guess I'll never get what it is everyone else sees in Kirby's artwork.
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Post by benday-dot on Jan 3, 2016 15:09:11 GMT -5
a few Day 4 comments: Darwyn Cooke: this may be shallow of me but I just don't find his artwork attractive. His characters look squat and pudgy and I can't drum up any interest in what they're doing. And yet you love Kirby who makes everybody look like a caveman? I realise that I am in a minority in that I find Kirby's artwork underwhelming, but I honestly don't get how you can say Cooke makes everyone look squat and pudgy while singing Kirby's praises. I guess I'll never get what it is everyone else sees in Kirby's artwork. I think it's true that if you are looking for a classic sense of beauty in your comic artwork Kirby is the wrong place to look. Kirby's art has always had leanings toward the grotesque and even the ugly. It has little sense of relaxation, being all muscular and ready to explode. I like your caveman allusion. There is an undeniable primal quality to Kirby's work, and yet it's energy is scarcely restrained. I don't know of any other comic artist with a greater sense of the potential, no less that the actual, in the pictures he draws. No way this much turmoil can be put down in any sort of pretty fashion. I happen to love Cooke's art as well. It has fluidity and grace. Cooke is a master cartoonist. And I think he actually has a lot more in common with Kirby than might first be supposed. There is so much punch in Cooke's work. It's hyper expressive and has a true elan to it. I really love almost everything Darwyn puts out. The thing is Cooke is also a huge Kirby fan. He just might be his favourite artist. I've had a few discussions with him about Kirby over the years (he lives in my town and sometimes i have found myself at the same events/places when comics are concerned), and the man cannot say enough great things about Kirby's super dynamic artwork. They are both winners in my book.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 15:45:09 GMT -5
They are both winners in my book.
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Jan 3, 2016 16:21:19 GMT -5
And yet you love Kirby who makes everybody look like a caveman? I realise that I am in a minority in that I find Kirby's artwork underwhelming, but I honestly don't get how you can say Cooke makes everyone look squat and pudgy while singing Kirby's praises. I guess I'll never get what it is everyone else sees in Kirby's artwork. I think it's true that if you are looking for a classic sense of beauty in your comic artwork Kirby is the wrong place to look. Kirby's art has always had leanings toward the grotesque and even the ugly. It has little sense of relaxation, being all muscular and ready to explode. I like your caveman allusion. There is an undeniable primal quality to Kirby's work, and yet it's energy is scarcely restrained. I don't know of any other comic artist with a greater sense of the potential, no less that the actual, in the pictures he draws. No way this much turmoil can be put down in any sort of pretty fashion. I happen to love Cooke's art as well. It has fluidity and grace. Cooke is a master cartoonist. And I think he actually has a lot more in common with Kirby than might first be supposed. There is so much punch in Cooke's work. It's hyper expressive and has a true elan to it. I really love almost everything Darwyn puts out. The thing is Cooke is also a huge Kirby fan. He just might be his favourite artist. I've had a few discussions with him about Kirby over the years (he lives in my town and sometimes i have found myself at the same events/places when comics are concerned), and the man cannot say enough great things about Kirby's super dynamic artwork. They are both winners in my book. The way I see it is when you look at Jacks output in his busy years, say Marvel in the 60s, he had an amazing ability to compose a page filled with energy and real people, with only a few lines. He may not have been as minimalist as Cooke, and for sure a lot of his books are detailed, but he could and often did, show it all with very little.
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Post by Prince Hal on Jan 3, 2016 17:26:11 GMT -5
Darwyn Cooke: this may be shallow of me but I just don't find his artwork attractive. His characters look squat and pudgy and I can't drum up any interest in what they're doing. Art Spiegelman: Haven't read anything. The highly-acclaimed Maus has never attracted me. I'm probably being totally unfair, but from the excerpts I've read, I don't see what it would add to our understanding of the Holocaust. The whole exercise feels dubious to me. The evil of the Nazis and the horror of the concentration camps seems so apparent that I think this theme has to be treated with great skill and subtlety to make the basis of a full-length work. WG Sebald's The Emigrants, is the best example I can think of from recent decades. Maybe I'll try something else of Speigelman's first and see if that can convince me to give Maus a try. Hal Foster: I'd say he was one of the very best artists ever to work in comics. His style may seem a little static to modern readers (including myself) brought up on the more dynamic action of superhero comics, but a little time effort should enable anyone to appreciate Foster's work, which hearkens back to the detailed illustrations of 19th-century cartoonists trained in fine arts rather than in the more insular world of comics. I haven't read enough Prince Valiant to comment on his wrting. Know what you mean about Foster, and as much as I admire his art, I never found his stories as compelling as I wanted them to be because there was so little action. His panels were more like dioramas. Beautiful, all of them, but the never came to life like those of other, less illustrative artists. Sorry you don't care for Cooke. I find his art evocative of Caniff and Toth and -- if this makes sense -- both realistic and cartoony at the same time. I don't see the squat and pudgy (sounds lie a pair of Golden Age sidekicks!) thing, but, hey, that's what makes horse racing. And, berk, if you ever find the time to read Maus, I think you'll see that Spiegelman does indeed treat the Holocaust skillfully and subtly. Like any historical event, it lends itself to many treatments b/c it's just too large a topic to be able to begin to understand it without coming at it from a multiplicity of viewpoints. One theme of Maus, for instance, is that the Holocaust was not just a spasm of horrific violence that was over and done with in 1945. Rather, it is also like a time-release toxin that has seeped into Spiegelman's parents' bones, essentially become part of their DNA, and has thus become part of Spiegelman's genetic map as well. I'm sure other works on the Holocaust have dealt with this; certainly the similarities between the countless attempts to fathom it are like the constant retellings of traumatic events that all of us do at funerals, on anniversaries, and at family gatherings. Each recounting contains at least a grain of truth and a longing for a way to understand, which is why we tell them again and listen as if we had never heard them.
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Post by benday-dot on Jan 3, 2016 18:18:48 GMT -5
Nothing to do with comics, but I would like to add a quick seconding of berk's aside recommendation of W.G. Sebald's The Emigrants. What an astoundingly beautifully written book. His Rings of Saturn is also a brilliant. It's a real shame that something as cruelly banal as a car accident tool him from us when it did.
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