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Post by Crimebuster on Dec 21, 2015 11:41:37 GMT -5
I love Elfquest and I'm glad that Ms.Pini has been mentioned twice now. I need to make sure she gets at least as many votes as Jim Davis.
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Post by coke & comics on Dec 21, 2015 11:50:18 GMT -5
4. Scott McCloud...for his work on Zot! I can’t recall what I read first. Zot! or Understanding Comics. Both were huge influences on my comic reading and remain amongst the best comics I ever read. I came across a collection of the original Zot! series when working in a comic store. It was a fun and charming superhero sci/fi fantasy adventure. A child hero, a boy turned into a monkey and an array of colorful villains. I thought it was incredible. It would be many years later that I read the later issues. When my comic store closed, I bought what was left of the inventory (eventually selling off most), but I held onto the Zot! comics. There were many, but they did not include issue 11. So I held off on reading more Zot! for many years until they released the ominbus collection of the entire second series. I had no idea what I was in for. Zot! isn’t a particularly coherent or focused series. It grows with its author. Scott McCloud referred to the original (truly excellent) series as his “training wheels”. This new series was still superheroing but with a bit of sophistication. Stronger characterization, and a thematic grounding in the story of a girl who was starting to love an impossible fantasy world more than her own. It builds and builds to an epic 3-part battle with the assassin 9-Jack-9. Perhaps the best superhero/villain battle I have ever read. Zot’s emotional journey, the visual spectacle, and the sheer seeming impossibility of defeating the villain, topped off by a revelation that has haunted me and my stance on morality for many years. And then Scott McCloud grew tired of superheroes. I think Understanding Comics was beginning to form in his brain and he wanted to see what else comics could do. But Zot! was his bird in the hand. So Zot moved to earth, and became a background character in his own comic, as the issues focused on the lives of Jenny’s "real-life" friends and family. I think last year I spoke a bit about how much Autumn touched me. But all the stories are that good. He then closes the book on Zot! and moves forward. Understanding Comics I read in a single night. Couldn’t put it down or sleep. It’s both the best treatise on comics I have read and and an enthralling comic. I particularly love his explanation of abstraction, and love just how much of what he said applies just as well to why we use abstraction in mathematics. How do you top that? You really don’t. Early in his career, Scott McCloud had his two masterworks and has bounced around since. Always involved with comics, always experimenting, fascinated by the opportunities that technology offers… but he is far from prolific. He is a great advocate for the medium and just recently put out a huge tome called “The Sculptor". A touching story of a struggling artist and a girl. Putting his understanding of comics into action.
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Post by Pharozonk on Dec 21, 2015 13:57:58 GMT -5
#9. Jim Shooter Oh boy, let's see how many fans this choice wins me. Love him or hate him, you can't deny the impact Shooter has had on the comics industry. From his successful yet highly controversial tenure as EiC at Marvel or kickstarting Valiant Comics, the man's been at every level of the comic company hierarchy. However, what I choose to celebrate today is not the ruthless businessman, but the scrappy 14 year old working tirelessly on a little comic series called Adventure Comics. It goes without saying that Shooter is one of the quintessential Legion of Super-heroes creators, but what's most impressive is the scope at which he worked at such a young age. At just the age of 14, he was already providing scripts, writing stories, and doing the pencil breakdowns on entire issues. He's arguably one of the first comic writers to really bring about lasting change and impactful continuity to superhero comics during the Silver Age, especially with character deaths. Take the classic Death of Ferro Lad story which took place in Adventure Comics #352-353: This was't just some throwaway event. The death of Ferro Lad haunted the team for years and his "ghost" would make frequent appearances in subsequent Legion tales. It showed that even though the Legion were kids, their adventures had real consequences and every Legionnaire was fair game. Shooter was a master of catching readers off guard, employing shock tactics, but within well written stories that had a sense of poignancy and genuine feeling.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 21, 2015 14:03:50 GMT -5
I always thought of Shooter as an editor and writer but never knew he did art as well.
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Post by Pharozonk on Dec 21, 2015 14:05:16 GMT -5
I always thought of Shooter as an editor and writer but never knew he did art as well. He did the breakdowns on the issues he wrote, but I think Curt Swan finished the art.
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Post by MDG on Dec 21, 2015 14:11:01 GMT -5
4. Spain RodriguezSpain has a strong, angular graphic style that brings an energy and immediacy to his stories. While his early stories were adventure, SF, or Lovecraft-influenced tales, he moved on to non-fiction and autobiographical pieces, leaving a rich portrait of life in 50s-60s Buffalo and the counter-culture of the 60s and 70s. Extra: Tribute mural in Buffalo
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Dec 21, 2015 14:33:29 GMT -5
Hell does anyone else feel the pressure to be all intellectual and stuff, look at all that Dan Clowes, and Paul Pope(damn thats nice)and political cartoons and Scott McLoud. Then theres the write ups...25 page treatises on the technical beauty of the way Billy Joe Jim Bob captures the utter hopelessness of...Ima give up on trying that shit...Ima 2 stoopid...Ima like pretty pictures and words me unnastan. I feel like I caught stoopid reading you fullas, I want to have some deep insight about a creator, or be able to prove their technical wizardry, but youre just stuck with 4. Walt SimonsonI dont know if I have anything groundbreaking to add here, you've read other folks reasons for loving Walt. All I know is that for 30 years I have derived immense pleasure from his work. Like a lot of others the earliest of his work I recall is the wonderful Manhunter stories with Archie Goodwin back in Detective in the 70s. From there his second stint on Thor is the work for which he is most widely lauded, and theres no argument here. He also had extensive stints on the Fantastic Four, X-Factor (artist only), and Orion as well as working on his Starslammers at different times over the years. Truly one of the modern legends(well at Marvel and DC that is) the energy and creativity in his work always brings another legend to mind. Speaking of legend, Walts work is never the same without the amazing John Workman on letters, aint nuthin like a Workman BOOM !!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2015 15:08:07 GMT -5
On the ninth day of Christmas, Lightning Press gave to me... #4 Carla Speed McNeilAnd now it's my turn to thank you RR. This was one I desperately wanted to include, but just couldn't fit. I didn't thik anyone else would mention Carla, but I am so glad you did! -M
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2015 15:16:43 GMT -5
On the ninth day of Christmas, Comics my true love gave to me... Mike Mignola for Hellboy and others. What do you get when you take an appreciation of myth and folklore, a love for Lovecraftian horror, a dash of pulp heroes throw it into a blender and pour out the results-either the contents of many, many shelves in my library of Mignola's Hellboy Universe. Dark, moody, thrilling with mad storytelling skills. Reading Mignola's work just gives me a visceral pleasure; all the things I love about comics and fiction, storytelling and cultural legacy all wrapped into one giant visual treat. I could go on forever about Mignola, but I'll just leave it at that. -M
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 21, 2015 15:27:42 GMT -5
On the Ninth day we get my pick for the greatest adventure strip creator of all time... Milton Caniff. Caniff had two strips that were certified classics...Terry and the Pirates and Steve Canyon. A third deserves to be...both for the content and for the circumstances under which it was produced...Male Call. When the U.S. entered World War II Caniff was ineligible for service, partly because of age, partly because of severe phlebitis. As a contribution to the war Caniff created Male Call and allowed it to be published in military publications as a volunteer. I would feel bad talking about Caniff without also mentioning Noel Sickles (who gets an honorable mention. Caniff and Sickles shared an studio for some time. And you can see Sickles techniques bleeding into Caniff's already impressive repertoire.
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Post by shaxper on Dec 21, 2015 15:33:48 GMT -5
I always thought of Shooter as an editor and writer but never knew he did art as well. I was about to say the same!
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Post by shaxper on Dec 21, 2015 15:34:26 GMT -5
I always thought of Shooter as an editor and writer but never knew he did art as well. He did the breakdowns on the issues he wrote, but I think Curt Swan finished the art. Sheesh. If breakdowns count, I could have included Doug Moench!
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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 21, 2015 16:10:16 GMT -5
#4 Will Eisner
First saw a Spirit story when I read Jules Feiffer's Great Comic Book Heroes as a kid. I had never seen anything like it. Maybe an old Warner Brothers movie here or there, but certainly not in a comic book. Neither had anyone doing comics when Eisner showed up. Google Eisner or Spirit splash pages. Then try to pick just one to display as an example of Eisner's genius. Please understand that there's way more where this came from. And did I mention the graphic novels (a form some say he invented) and the other strips, and the hundreds he's influenced (Frank Miller, Mike Ploog, Darwyn Cooke, Steranko, just for a start) and so on, and so on and so on. Could easily be #1 on this list. I wouldn't argue.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 21, 2015 16:50:32 GMT -5
He did the breakdowns on the issues he wrote, but I think Curt Swan finished the art. Sheesh. If breakdowns count, I could have included Doug Moench! I was thinking the very same thought, and with your thread I wouldn't have had to have gone too far looking for good examples!
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 21, 2015 16:53:21 GMT -5
On the Ninth day we get my pick for the greatest adventure strip creator of all time... Milton Caniff. Caniff had two strips that were certified classics...Terry and the Pirates and Steve Canyon. A third deserves to be...both for the content and for the circumstances under which it was produced...Male Call. When the U.S. entered World War II Caniff was ineligible for service, partly because of age, partly because of severe phlebitis. As a contribution to the war Caniff created Male Call and allowed it to be published in military publications as a volunteer. I would feel bad talking about Caniff without also mentioning Noel Sickles (who gets an honorable mention. Caniff and Sickles shared an studio for some time. And you can see Sickles techniques bleeding into Caniff's already impressive repertoire. I've heard of Terry and the Pirates before but I've never seen it or sought it out, but I'm thinking that has to change and that steve canyon page you posted looks right up my ally too. Are there any good collections out there that you'd recommend?
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