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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 8, 2016 15:10:16 GMT -5
I really enjoyed it pretty much through Breakdowns... it had a rough spot or two, but it's a worthy read/review thread for sure  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2016 15:31:47 GMT -5
I really enjoyed it pretty much through Breakdowns... it had a rough spot or two, but it's a worthy read/review thread for sure I'm learning a lot on this thread and it's been an eye-opening experience and I just mad at myself not reading these stories back then the problem is that I was working 60-65 hours a week and driving 20 hours for work and not enough time reading Comic Books in the 80's and early 90's. Very Worthy Thread! |
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Post by Crimebuster on Jan 8, 2016 16:36:03 GMT -5
I have a feeling the longer you go into this title/thread, the more it will feel like a slog Shax. -M You're not the first to suggest this and, frankly, It's beginning to worry me. I hope the whole run isn't a gradual decline that has already begun. Please tell me there are still high points ahead. Well, I remember it as being pretty entertaining for awhile. Not sure if this is really a spoiler, but my thoughts on the series based on what I remember about reading it as it was coming out:
I haven't read these since they came out, but I was buying them at the time. I started buying it regularly with #7 and stopped around #35. When I started buying it, the title felt like a real breath of fresh air - the light tone was directly counter to all the grim and gritty stuff taking over comics at the time, so Justice League was really refreshing. By the time I stopped, though, I was ready for it to be a little more serious. The comedy stuff sort of takes over after awhile, and it's very fun and entertaining, but it started to also feel kind of meaningless. There was no there there. The impression I got at the time is that most other readers kind of felt the same way. It was no longer a joke about something, it was just an in-joke for its own sake; they fell so in love with the interpersonal banter between Beetle, Booster, Fire, Ice, and Guy, that they forgot to ground it with any kind of drama or, you know, superheroics.
Of course, how different this might have been if they had been allowed to use Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, and the other big guns, is impossible to say.
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Post by Action Ace on Jan 8, 2016 18:54:10 GMT -5
Am I really the only person here who actually liked the Dan Jurgens stuff? I found it satisfactory. The Destiny's Hand arc right after Superman died was quite good. |
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Post by Action Ace on Jan 8, 2016 19:16:55 GMT -5
I have a feeling the longer you go into this title/thread, the more it will feel like a slog Shax. -M You're not the first to suggest this and, frankly, It's beginning to worry me. I hope the whole run isn't a gradual decline that has already begun. Please tell me there are still high points ahead. Even when the overall quality goes down, there will still be parts that have to be visited., Kyle Baker's Ktrrogarrx! in issue #50 for instance. Most of Breakdowns will be a slog though. As for the rest of the post Giffen/ DeMatteis Justice League era... Justice League: America: Jurgens era is pretty good, but it just gets worse and worse going forward. They were just dragging anyone off the street to be in the team at this point Justice League: Europe: the entire Gerard Jones era is among the worst Justice League titles ever, changes it's title to Justice League International after issue #50, then the creative team moves over to kill JL:A after this title is cancelled Extreme Justice: that cast could have worked in the right hands, but those hands were no where to be found Justice League Task Force: lots of J'onn, some Gypsy, some Despero like you've never seen him before, this is the pick of this bunch Then they all get cancelled in June 1996, JLA: Midsummer's Nightmare comes out in July and the franchise is saved with the best era of JLA in two decades. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2016 22:00:09 GMT -5
You're not the first to suggest this and, frankly, It's beginning to worry me. I hope the whole run isn't a gradual decline that has already begun. Please tell me there are still high points ahead. Even when the overall quality goes down, there will still be parts that have to be visited., Kyle Baker's Ktrrogarrx! in issue #50 for instance. Then they all get cancelled in June 1996, JLA: Midsummer's Nightmare comes out in July and the franchise is saved with the best era of JLA in two decades. That's is when I first started reading JLA after a decade or so and that's book (JLA Midsummer's Nightmare) was the first JLA Book that I brought in 12 or so odd years.  And, then ... you know the rest of the story! |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 8, 2016 22:11:12 GMT -5
I loved Midsummer's Nightmare when it came out.. and was super excited to have Kyle and PAD's Aquaman there. It looks so...90s now though.
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Post by dupersuper on Jan 9, 2016 1:28:01 GMT -5
Sounds pretty skippable, unless you want to be the lone wolf who makes the case that it's so good it shouldn't be ignored  I actually really like a lot of it, in fact I much prefer that run to Morrison's later reinvention of the team. You had me at the beginning of that sentence and lost me at the end. I liked Jurgens JL (and most of what I read of Jones and some of what I read of the rest) well enough, but Morrisons JLA is 1 of my favourite titles ever. |
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Post by tingramretro on Jan 9, 2016 1:53:56 GMT -5
I have a feeling the longer you go into this title/thread, the more it will feel like a slog Shax. -M You're not the first to suggest this and, frankly, It's beginning to worry me. I hope the whole run isn't a gradual decline that has already begun. Please tell me there are still high points ahead. Possibly it would be a good idea to wait and see for yourself rather than prejudging based on the personal tastes of individuals other than yourself? Just an idea... I've actually been rather surprised at all the negativity towards the later issues. |
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Post by tingramretro on Jan 9, 2016 1:55:24 GMT -5
Am I really the only person here who actually liked the Dan Jurgens stuff? I found it satisfactory. The Destiny's Hand arc right after Superman died was quite good. I remember really enjoying that one. They even used the classic SSOSV! |
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Post by tingramretro on Jan 9, 2016 2:00:19 GMT -5
You're not the first to suggest this and, frankly, It's beginning to worry me. I hope the whole run isn't a gradual decline that has already begun. Please tell me there are still high points ahead. Even when the overall quality goes down, there will still be parts that have to be visited., Kyle Baker's Ktrrogarrx! in issue #50 for instance. Most of Breakdowns will be a slog though. As for the rest of the post Giffen/ DeMatteis Justice League era... Justice League: America: Jurgens era is pretty good, but it just gets worse and worse going forward. They were just dragging anyone off the street to be in the team at this point Justice League: Europe: the entire Gerard Jones era is among the worst Justice League titles ever, changes it's title to Justice League International after issue #50, then the creative team moves over to kill JL:A after this title is cancelled Extreme Justice: that cast could have worked in the right hands, but those hands were no where to be found Justice League Task Force: lots of J'onn, some Gypsy, some Despero like you've never seen him before, this is the pick of this bunch Then they all get cancelled in June 1996, JLA: Midsummer's Nightmare comes out in July and the franchise is saved with the best era of JLA in two decades. That is highly debatable. I disagree with virtually everything you've said there (except possibly about the later issues of JLE), particularly in relation to the Morrison JLA, which I found tedious in the extreme and have never been able to summon up the enthusiasm to reread. I far preferred the Jurgens JLA. Aside from anything else, I've always found the second string characters much more interesting than the likes of Superman and Wonder Woman. |
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Post by shaxper on Jan 9, 2016 9:18:44 GMT -5
You're not the first to suggest this and, frankly, It's beginning to worry me. I hope the whole run isn't a gradual decline that has already begun. Please tell me there are still high points ahead. Possibly it would be a good idea to wait and see for yourself rather than prejudging based on the personal tastes of individuals other than yourself? Just an idea... Well...yeah. Of course that's what I'm going to do. My feeling out the opinions of others in anticipation of what's coming doesn't mean I'm surrendering my will to the masses. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 9, 2016 9:26:45 GMT -5
Morrison's JLA was nice in that it was nice to see DC's prime characters together again. His focus on his own creation early on was kinda annoying, though.
What I remember really liking (and perhaps it was later issues more than Morrison, I don't really recall) is the relationship between Kyle, Wally, and J'onn... they had quite a few great character moments.
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Post by tingramretro on Jan 9, 2016 10:31:15 GMT -5
Morrison's JLA was nice in that it was nice to see DC's prime characters together again. His focus on his own creation early on was kinda annoying, though. What I remember really liking (and perhaps it was later issues more than Morrison, I don't really recall) is the relationship between Kyle, Wally, and J'onn... they had quite a few great character moments. I've never really cared about "prime characters". My favourite members of the old League were Red Tornado and Elongated Man, my favourite League was the Giffen one, and my favourite Avengers lineup did not contain Captain America, Iron Man or Thor. I think that generally, if a team is comprised primarily of characters who already have their own books, it makes the team book pretty pointless as no significant character development can occur. I've also never really liked Morrison. I've been aware of his work since the early days when he was still working for 2000 AD, but the only stuff of his that I've ever really liked was his Animal Man run and some of Doom Patrol. Generally, I tend to consider him overrated. His JLA was was boring, Zenith was mediocre and Final Crisis was pretty much unreadable. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 9, 2016 12:39:08 GMT -5
I don't usually like Morrison either... the JLA book is probably my favorite of his.
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