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Post by dupersuper on Jan 22, 2016 4:15:44 GMT -5
I just remembered a JLI appearance that's coming up that I don't have. The four issue mini series "The Weird." It's a Jim Starlin/ Bernie Wrightson production. It's got Superman and the JLI composed of Batman, J'onn, angry Guy, Black Canary, Kent Nelson Dr. Fate and Captain Atom. How? I have no idea. Also: Nuklon. |
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Post by dupersuper on Jan 22, 2016 4:17:49 GMT -5
Tempting for the creative team, but I probably won't review it unless you feel these JLI appearances are somehow significant (beyond the clear editorial snafus). I'm already regretting these Millennium reviews  After reading the synopsis of the series, I don't think it's that significant. They seem to be in all of the issues, but I don't it has anything to offer other than the aforementioned continuity headache. Has anyone here read the mini series? Surely we have at least one Wrightson completionist.  I have (I'm a Superman completionist). It's cool and the JL are front and center, but it doesn't effect their book at all. |
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Post by dupersuper on Jan 22, 2016 4:18:52 GMT -5
After reading the synopsis of the series, I don't think it's that significant. They seem to be in all of the issues, but I don't it has anything to offer other than the aforementioned continuity headache. Has anyone here read the mini series? Surely we have at least one Wrightson completionist. I read it when it came out lo those many years ago. I sill have it, but I can't say I have reread it since to remember what it was about. It introduced a new character-The Weird-that Starlin revisited when he returned to DC for a time pre-Flashpoint. I remember it came out around the same time as the 4 issue Martian Manhunter done by J.M.DeMatteis and Mark Badger and thinking hte Manhunter mini (which features the JLI and Batman throughout) was more in tune with what was going on in the JLI series and more relevant to it. But again this was 1988 and my memories are sketchy. Superman also plays a role in the Weird, and if I remember right the League has to fight Supes for some reason. -M He and Nuklon get possessed by Macrolites (sp?). |
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Post by MDG on Jan 22, 2016 12:52:56 GMT -5
I just remembered a JLI appearance that's coming up that I don't have. The four issue mini series "The Weird." It's a Jim Starlin/ Bernie Wrightson production. It's got Superman and the JLI composed of Batman, J'onn, angry Guy, Black Canary, Kent Nelson Dr. Fate and Captain Atom. How? I have no idea. But it's Wrightson art so it's all good!  -M But it's Starlin writing, so.... what's the opposite of all good? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 15:00:39 GMT -5
But it's Wrightson art so it's all good! -M But it's Starlin writing, so.... what's the opposite of all good? I've liked far more of what Starlin has written than disliked it, though I never felt his DC stuff was as strong as his creator-owned or even his Marvel stuff. Though of his DC stuff, I thought this was one of his better efforts (far better than his Batman stuff, Cosmic Odyssey or New Gods stuff he did at hat time anyways. But I get why some people don't like his stuff. -M |
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Post by Action Ace on Jan 23, 2016 19:28:32 GMT -5
Justissssssssssss
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Post by shaxper on Jan 23, 2016 21:35:37 GMT -5
Millennium #5  "In" writer: Steve Englehart layouts: Joe Staton finishes: Ian Gibson letters: Bob Lappan colors: Carl Gafford editor: Andy Helfer Englehart's poorly concieved New Age fluff preaching is really getting obnoxious. Fortunately, the Millennium storyline, itself, is outside of the focus of this thread, so that's all I'm going to say about that. Considering that this is a tie-in week for the JLI, it's no surprise that they get a lot of attention in this issue. Booster Gold never appears on panel, but we are told he is still working for The Manhunters. The rest of the team mostly hangs around the Green Lantern Corps compound this issue, but Englehart tries to think like Keith Giffen in this approach, giving them ample time to be themselves. He does a decent job making Guy funny again (something Giffen hasn't managed to do since Guy's personality got inverted):   You can also almost make out Blue Beetle laughing his butt off (because he's listening to Black Canary reaming Green Arrow for hitting on Katma Stewart), but I'm disappointed to see Canary portrayed as yet another negative feminine stereotype -- the comically jealous shrew in addition to the over-the-top extreme feminist. Additionally, more attention is given to Batman's moving away from The Outsiders in favor of a continued presence with the JLI:   And Englehart offers this puzzling critique of the JLI by Martian Manhunter:  Isn't that what the Green Latern Corps is supposed to be for? Beyond that, we get a setup for JLI #10, with J'onn, Captain Atom, and Batman (and some guests) heading out into space to attack The Manhunters at their source:  and the rest presumably staying behind, with a mystery about to unfold there:  Terrible issue overall, but the JLI got a solid presence, and Guy actually made me smirk for the first time in a long while. |
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Post by Action Ace on Jan 23, 2016 23:15:07 GMT -5
Coming up next... the debut of the greatest Green Lantern of all. (or so I've been told on several occasions)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2016 17:17:32 GMT -5
Coming up next... the debut of the greatest Green Lantern of all. (or so I've been told on several occasions) This guy! I for one love him. |
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Post by shaxper on Jan 24, 2016 20:53:49 GMT -5
Justice League International #10  "Soul of the Machine" plot & breakdowns: Keith Giffen script: J.M. DeMatteis pencils: Kevin Maguire inks: Al Gordon letters: Bob Lappan colors: Gene D'Angelo editor: Andy Helfer grade: A- If you thought we were finally getting back to a good ol' JLI review with this issue, you were mistaken. Whereas, in Millennium #5, it sure looked like J'onn, Batman, and Captain Atom were all going into space to take on The Manhunters along with some other assorted heroes, Batman is nowhere to be seen here, and Captain Atom quickly takes off after Firestorm, setting up the Firestorm tie-in for this week instead:  So exactly one member of the JLI appears in this lead story. And yet, lest you think this is an issue that has nothing to do with the Justice League, Giffen is quick to point out at the beginning that most of the guest heroes in this issue -- Dr. Fate, Hawkman and Hawkwoman, and Hal Jordan -- once were members of the Justice League. And with only the most mature, seasoned member of the current JLI present, Giffen is able to state that: And thus we get a very different kind of issue here; one that takes a break from the normal ineptitude of the JLI, as we watch a far more professional team that isn't just competent; it positively kicks butt:   And, after delivering all of that awesomeness, Giffen pulls a now familiar trick tried previously in both Justice League #1 and JLI #8: he has someone in the story speak exactly what hesitant fans are thinking in this moment, and then makes those thoughts look stupid:  Classic Giffen. Of course, while we're reminded that kicking butt flawlessly is not what the JLI is ever going to be about, we also get these statements in the letter column for this issue, seemingly contradicting the message delivered above: Seems like Giffen and Helfer have two very different ideas of where this new League is headed in the coming months. Also interesting about this issue is that it finally settles the question of which Dr. Fate we're dealing with. When Arisia asks Fate if he can just wave his magic wand and stop all the Manhunters, he explains that he cannot.  Of course, that's pretty much exactly what he did in Justice League #6 in order to stop The Gray Man, so it was Kent Nelson in Justice League #6 but is now Eric Strauss.  Finally, I'd really be remiss if I didn't add that this issue provides the unexpected first appearance of G'nort.  I love how Giffen characterizes him as an oblivious loser completely lacking in integrity and social graces. It's very different than how I remember the character when he teamed up with Guy Gardner in Green Lantern volume 3. But really, why introduce the character here? Minor Detail: Does the team yet know that Captain Atom is secretly spying on them? Did that come out in the Captain Atom solo tie-in, or are they saving it for a later JLI issue? Plot synopsis:
The team of heroes (only two being on the current JLI roster) arrive at the Manhunter homeworld, but Firestorm takes off and Captain Atom goes after him, leaving only one current member present. They enter the base on the planet, well aware they are walking into a trap, and meet G'Nort, whom Hal Jordan already has the displeasure of knowing. They anticipate The Manhunters' trap and are able to evade it and surprise them, massacring the androids and then facing The Highmaster (a bad rip off of Mastermold from The X-Men), who flees with the intent to rebuild The Manhunters again as the Manhunter homeworld falls apart without her."...Back at the Ranch..." plot and pencils: Keith Giffen script: J.M. DeMatteis inks: Al Gordon letters: Felix Mas colors: Gene D'Angelo editor: Andy Helfer grade: D A completely forgettable story told seemingly with the sole intent of making sure a few JLI members actually appeared in this issue. Essentially, while inspecting the Manhunter ship that had been captured, Blue Beetle and Mister Miracle accidentally unleash a mind probe that attaches itself to one of the eight chosen and need to figure out how to get it off. Ultimately, Kilowag presses the "off" button, once more reminding us how inept this team is. The gag is old already, and Giffen's second attempt to find a "buddy" for Blue Beetle to clown around with doesn't work out as well as his first. Time to throw Beetle and Booster together again, but first they need to get Booster back on the right side in this altercation. Plot synopsis: Pretty much covered above. |
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Post by Action Ace on Jan 24, 2016 21:38:06 GMT -5
COMMENTS ON JLI #10
Hawkman does his thing throughout the issue.
J'ONN: This is par for the course for the League (a golf reference???)
HAKWMAN: It wasn't in the old days.
J'ONN: In case you haven't noticed Hawkman, those days are over.
Then he and Hawkgirl get into some husband/ wife bickering for the rest of the issue. He is called Katar on the last page.
G'Nort does fit in with the JLI cause. His membership in the GLC is due to an influential uncle that was in the GLC. He was assigned this sector as it had no life forms that the Guardians knew of.
Manhunter leader: We look forward to the slaughter.
This is the biggest beatdown of a robot army until Mac Windu takes one out in a cartoon episode of Clone Wars.
Superman endorses the humor: I think exhibiting a sense of humor in the face of danger is admirable Hawkwoman.
The letter column also mentions that a couple of heroines will be joining the team soon.
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Post by Action Ace on Jan 24, 2016 21:41:04 GMT -5
Look at the panel from Millennium #5 again shaxper. I think Batman is hanging back as if he's not going like John Stewart.
And that Captain Atom revelation will be kept secret for a while.
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Post by shaxper on Jan 24, 2016 21:43:43 GMT -5
Look at the panel from Millennium #5 again shaxper. I think Batman is hanging back as if he's not going like John Stewart. Yeah, I see that now, but it certainly looks otherwise until you examine the panel closely. Thanks! |
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Post by tingramretro on Jan 25, 2016 3:00:48 GMT -5
Look at the panel from Millennium #5 again shaxper. I think Batman is hanging back as if he's not going like John Stewart. And that Captain Atom revelation will be kept secret for a while. As I recall, Captain Atom's secret eventually comes out in the pages of JLE, doesn't it? |
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Post by tingramretro on Jan 25, 2016 3:02:52 GMT -5
COMMENTS ON JLI #10 Hawkman does his thing throughout the issue. J'ONN: This is par for the course for the League (a golf reference???) HAKWMAN: It wasn't in the old days. J'ONN: In case you haven't noticed Hawkman, those days are over. Then he and Hawkgirl get into some husband/ wife bickering for the rest of the issue. He is called Katar on the last page. Is "par for the course" not a common expression where you are? It is here. It's just used to mean "as usual". |
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