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Post by dupersuper on May 4, 2016 19:26:57 GMT -5
I think we've all read more than enough comics to know if two members of a team book reference events we haven't seen in that book, they're referencing their own books or some other book they were in. The editor boxes are great for tracking those issues down, but hardly needed to follow along.
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Post by shaxper on May 4, 2016 19:31:31 GMT -5
I think we've all read more than enough comics to know if two members of a team book reference events we haven't seen in that book, they're referencing their own books or some other book they were in. The editor boxes are great for tracking those issues down, but hardly needed to follow along. Except that there was no reference made. They said they were broke. Flame and Ice Maiden have made a similar comment countless times in the book; it's practically a running theme. No previous event is implied in such a statement. Continuity only came into play because I stopped and asked why they were broke. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on May 4, 2016 19:39:35 GMT -5
I think we've all read more than enough comics to know if two members of a team book reference events we haven't seen in that book, they're referencing their own books or some other book they were in. The editor boxes are great for tracking those issues down, but hardly needed to follow along. True, but when those events don't exist, or sometimes they get used and sometimes they don't, it gets annoying. |
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Post by dupersuper on May 4, 2016 19:47:09 GMT -5
Meh. As a reader who read that issue before I read the final issues of Booster Gold (and who still hasn't read the last issues of Teds Blue Beetle book, alas), it never bothered me. Ollies fortune was always coming and going, as has Tony Starks. They're broke at this point, gotcha', moving on.
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Post by shaxper on May 4, 2016 19:49:36 GMT -5
Meh. As a reader who read that issue before I read the final issues of Booster Gold (and who still hasn't read the last issues of Teds Blue Beetle book, alas), it never bothered me. Ollies fortune was always coming and going, as has Tony Starks. They're broke at this point, gotcha', moving on. Fair enough. It wasn't a world-shattering moment for me either. It raised a question in my mind, and I'm frankly surprised at the extent of the debate that has grown out of it. |
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Post by fred2 on May 25, 2016 8:25:11 GMT -5
I am curious to hear your reviews of the next two issues.
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Post by shaxper on May 25, 2016 15:52:59 GMT -5
I am curious to hear your reviews of the next two issues. Now that the bulk of the work on the Jamie Awards is concluded, I hope to be getting out some more reviews within the week! |
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Post by fred2 on Jun 21, 2016 19:07:31 GMT -5
Were you able to read the next 2 issues?
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Post by shaxper on Jun 21, 2016 19:51:24 GMT -5
Were you able to read the next 2 issues? Unfortunately, we ended up with a number of Help Desk requests that I ended up having to use my free time to address that week. I've been giving my attention to the Superman in the Post-Crisis Era thread this month, but I do intend to do one JLI review later this week. |
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Post by shaxper on Jun 24, 2016 1:31:33 GMT -5
Justice League International #18  "Where No League Has Gone Before!" plot and breakdowns: Keith Giffen dialogue: J.M. DeMatteis pencils: Kevin Maguire inks: Al Gordon letters: Bob Lappan colors; Gene D'Angelo editor: Andy Helfer grade: A- The creative team appears to finally be back in sync this issue, with Giffen's breakdowns, Maguire's finished art, and DeMatteis' post-production dialogue all working together instead of competing with each other for attention. So many of the best moments of this issue are a marriage of pacing, art, and dialogue, even when such artistry is being played for laughs:  And while DeMatteis is still fighting to insert his zingers in places where Giffen hadn't necessarily intended them:   we're also starting to see more sections where Giffen is clearly and purposefully giving DeMatteis space to play:  ("Here's four panels with Lord Manga in them. Do your thing, J.M.") But as much fun as we have with the JLI B team in space, it's still clear that Giffen, Macguire, and DeMatteis have found the true heart of the franchise with these guys:   Really though, the only character who isn't working at all right now is G'Nort.  I honestly can't tell whether DeMatteis thinks this stuff is funny or if he's actively trying to make us hate the guy. Fortunately, G'Nort won't be our resident Green Lantern for much longer:  Well THAT was a long time coming. My only regret is that the awesome cover to this issue is a lie; that scene never occurs. Hopefully, the cover to the next issue does. Important Details:- After suffering a second concussion, Guy Gardner's personality is back - The letter page suggests that the idea to split into two titles (Justice League America and Europe) has already been decided by this point:  Minor Details:- I'm still really unclear on what happened to Guy here:  I'm guessing that's Lobo and that Barda's cosmic rod has conveniently shot him right here, but the art is very unclear. - Looks like we're never going to get an explanation on what happened to Black Canary:  Having read her Action Comics Weekly feature, I don't recall an explanation ever being given there for why she left the League. In fact, I don't recall her involvement in the League even getting acknowledged over there. plot synopsis: J'onn, Barda, Rocket Red, and G'Nort pursue Lord Manga's ship, Lord Manga hires Lobo to get them off his tail, Barda uses her cosmic rod to shoot him far away, and he appears to get shot to Earth and right into Guy Gardner, who has now recovered his personality. |
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Post by tingramretro on Jun 24, 2016 1:43:52 GMT -5
I remember being utterly delighted that the "real" Guy was back. He was easily my favourite Leaguer at the time.
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Post by shaxper on Jun 24, 2016 1:48:22 GMT -5
DC Bonus Book #7 (included in Justice League International #18)  "Raising the Roof!" writer: Mark Askwith pencils: James Webb inks: Mark Pennington letters: Duncan Andrews colors: Danny Vozzo grade: C+ I always liked the idea of these bonus books, even if most of them ended up being pretty disappointing. Did any of the tryout talents in these books ever make it? Looking at this specific issue, Andrews and Pennington are solid on letters and inks, Vozzo uses a little too much blue but is otherwise adequate with his colors, and Askwith and Webb are better on writing and pencils than any try-out talents probably had a right to be. The story is really an endless series of comedic situations, any one of which probably could have been the primary focus of the story. We begin with the hilarious contrast of Scott and Barda's house being devastated by an overly enthusiastic device belonging to the original Mister Miracle that Oberon accidentally activated:  transition into a comedy about cohabitation as Barda, residing in the JLI embassy along with Scott, quickly manages to drive the entire team insane, and then shift to a comedy about the JLI rebuilding Scott and Barda's home, each member secretly deciding to add their own flare to the house until we end up with this:  And, in another moment of fun comedy, Barda ends up loving it. It's not up to the standard of Giffen/MaGuire/DeMatteis, but it's really not bad for a bunch of newbies, and I particularly respect the attention they give to continuity (something a lot of these bonus books didn't do). Maybe that's to the credit of Helfer. Anyway, I love that they brought back the neighbors and events from Annual #2.  And there are moments where the characterization begins to border on DeMatteis level comedy  even if they don't totally get there. Perhaps the one real drawback to this issue is Webb's inconsistency as a penciler. Many of his panels are fantastic, but then we get ones like this  where Barda suddenly looks like she's eight years old and straight out of a Little Archie comic. All told, an impressive work for a bunch of rookies, even if it wasn't quite professional level Important Details:- If Helfer/Giffen decide to count this in continuity, than Scott and Barda are now homeless and living in the JLI New York embassy. plot synopsis: Oberon accidentally activates a device belonging to the first Mister Miracle that blows up Scott and Barda's home. They move in with the Justice League, but Barda quickly drives them all insane. Batman decides that the best solution is to rebuild their house for them. The team members each end up secretly adding their own bit of flare to the house, but Barda ends up loving it. Unfortunately, Guy used his power ring to create the nails (WHY? ?) and forgot to charge his battery, so the whole house comes crashing down again at the end. |
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Post by shaxper on Jun 24, 2016 1:57:07 GMT -5
The Justice League Scorecard (as of Justice League International #18)
W = win
W* = win with a significant technicality
L = loss
X = someone else won for them
Justice League #1: W* (Maxwell Lord set the whole thing up so that they'd win)
Justice League #2: L (They retreat from Balian airspace under orders from their airforce)
Justice League #3: X (The Russians, with some helpful suggestions from Maxwell Lord, save the day)
Justice League #4: W* (Maxwell Lord set the whole thing up so that Booster Gold would win)
Justice League #5 (not resolved until the next issue)
Justice League Annual #1: W* (Senior members Martian Manhunter and Dr. Fate save the day when the rest of the team was too incompetent to do a darn thing)
Justice League #6: X (Dr. Fate saves the day, making it abundantly clear that The League was not needed at all)
Justice League International #7: W* (another set-up by an outside benefactor to deliver the team an easy and high profile win)
Justice League International #8: (no mission)
Justice League International #9: X (The Rocket Reds save the day, though Booster Gold does get the final moment of glory after it's all been said and done).
Justice League International #10: X (only one member of the team was even present in the lead story, and someone else saved the day in the B story too)
Millennium: X (Booster Gold saved the day while not affiliated with the JLI)
Justice League International #11: W* (The whole victory was a setup by a villain with a larger plan for the team)
Justice League International #12: X (The team flies around confused while Maxwell Lord saves the day)
Justice League International #13: (part one of a two parter)
Suicide Squad #13: W* (They get out of the other team's way more than actively do something to win or lose)
Justice League International Annual #2: X (Barda saves the day)
Justice League International #14: (part one of a two parter)
Justice League International #15: W (first actual win, even if most of the work was done by outsiders and brand new team members)
Justice League International #16: (part one of a two parter)
Justice League International #17: L (Queen Bee has both international law and the support of her people on her side. See ya, JLI)
Justice League International #18: X (Big Barda stops Lobo when the team is unable to do so)
Total wins: 1
Total wins with significant technicalities: 6 (most staged by some other party so that the League would win)
Total wins by someone else: 8
Total Losses: 2
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Post by fred2 on Jun 27, 2016 20:24:44 GMT -5
Interesting that you are keeping track of the wins. I wonder if the lack of wins helped create the impression that the JLI was a bunch of losers. I seem to remember that after the next issue (#19) it all goes downhill pretty fast.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 27, 2016 21:23:56 GMT -5
I kinda hate Lobo.. but that cover is amazing!
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?) and forgot to charge his battery, so the whole house comes crashing down again at the end.