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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Aug 27, 2014 8:32:42 GMT -5
My wife and I watched the Butterfly Effect together. I was completely underwhelmed by it and my wife really disliked it. Her more so because she likes ending with closure or an assured ending, not something left out there floating. I had no problem with either end I just didn't really care for the movie as a whole. I would put it at a movie I am good with the one viewing I had of it, and wouldn't steer people away from it if they said "hey have you seen Butterfly Effect?" I liked the concept of the butterfly effect, and there were memorable moments to be sure, but I was similarly underwhelmed overall. Ashton Kutcher was definitely a big part of that. Not to pick on the dude, but I can't think of anything I've seen him in that stands out in my mind. That may be that I haven't seen much with him in it. But even his most infamous role in That 70s Show, still wasn't my favorite.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 8:40:03 GMT -5
Yeah. Kutcher was perfectly OK in Butterfly Effect, but I have a hard time setting aside his well-established persona as a grinning idiot.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Aug 27, 2014 9:00:26 GMT -5
Yeah I am totally guilty of seeing actors and actresses still as a long time character they have played. Especially if I liked the particular character, as you get attached to them, and then seeing the actor or actresses face reminds you of them. Ashton wasn't the stand out character in that show, for me, but he nailed that role to wall, so I do see him in that light.
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Post by Dizzy D on Aug 27, 2014 10:13:15 GMT -5
I don't know if there is an American name for it, but in dutch it's called the "Swiebertje-effect" (named after dutch actor Joop Doderer, who played the character Swiebertje from 1955 till 1975.)
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Post by shaxper on Aug 27, 2014 18:57:25 GMT -5
I don't know if there is an American name for it, but in dutch it's called the "Swiebertje-effect" (named after dutch actor Joop Doderer, who played the character Swiebertje from 1955 till 1975.) There are just certain actors who repeatedly get hired for playing themselves: Richard Gere, Tom Cruise, Meg Ryan, Barbara Streisand, and (yes) Ashton Kutcher. They're just always...them. And then there are actors that, no matter how well they act, something about them is just too distinct for the illusion to work. Whenever Tom Hanks plays a role, no matter how well, he's always Tom Hanks to me. His features, and especially his voice, are just too distinct. But we digress. Back to you, Coke!
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Post by coke & comics on Sept 5, 2014 20:42:17 GMT -5
80. The thing from another world (Nyby and Hawks, 1951) One of the prototype alien invasion films, produced and perhaps largely directed by Howard Hawks, features an arctic research station where the military discovers a crashed spaceship with a lone pilot. The pilot was from a world where the vegetables rather than the animals evolved intelligence. And they soon learn the hard way the pilot is not dead. This film features an intriguing new form of life, a conflict between the military who want to protect against the creature and the scientists who want to study it, and a film that helped usher in the era of Cold War paranoia films. "Keep watching the skies", it warns.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 21:41:27 GMT -5
IIRC, it came out before Day the Earth Stood Still & War of the Worlds, so perhaps it can be considered the prototypical alien invasion movie, at least chronologically. (Day, of course, introduced the misunderstood-alien-comes-in-peace motif, not to mention the urban setting for such, & I guess the presentation of a global perspective as well.)
It also, I would say (depending on how one feels about Frankenstein & The Invisible Man, of course), is the prototypical sf/horror film, a hybrid very dear to the hearts of many, me very much included.
(And of course it was utterly reviled by sf fans when it came out. That was a revelation to me when I encountered those sentiments in Judith Merrill's 2nd annual sf best-of, way back when.)
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Sept 5, 2014 22:30:28 GMT -5
James Arness ... Was he the prominent and in the end sacrificial cop of Them! who also was the wheel chair bound scientist of The Relic?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 23:25:42 GMT -5
I'd have to check, but offhand I think James Whitmore was who you're thinking of in Them!, with Arness as the other guy who ventures into the sewers with him to rescue the boys. Haven't seen The Relic.
He's best-known, I'm sure, as Marshal Matt Dillon in Gunsmoke.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Sept 6, 2014 8:24:56 GMT -5
Yes you are right Dan it is Whitmore. He lives in Them! while Arness dies when the ants get him helping the boys out of the sewers.
The Relic is a good science fiction film. A bit gory but I've seen it enough I can self censor. It would defiantly make my 100 list if I ever had the energy to create it.
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Post by coke & comics on Sept 10, 2014 23:22:46 GMT -5
79. Stargate (Emmerich, 1994) "What kind of a job?" Theories abound about who really beat the pyramids. Often these involve aliens. Whether these beliefs are rooted in a bias against older civilizations or just a lack of faith in humanity itself, I am uncertain. Stargate builds a world where these theories are true. The pyramids are a docking bay for alien spaceships. A portal connects two distant points in the universe and allows an advanced but dying alien culture to visit, kidnap, and enslave the ancient Egyptians in their quest for immortality. In 1928, this ancient Stargate was uncovered. And in the present day its secrets are unlocked. An expedition, consisting of a scientist whose theories have left him spurned by his peers, and a soldier with nothing left to lose, travels through a gate to a far-off planet. James Spader is a linguist, the only hope of decoding the symbols that can bring them home, and of communicating with the people they find there. He does not recognize their Egyptian dialect because he has only seen it written. On this world, they find a culture ready to revolt against its tyrannical gods, an advanced alien species with armor that inspired the legends of Egyptian deities. Cool technologies, false gods, decoding ancient clues. A smart and well-made film about a portal between worlds and the struggle to communicate. Or perhaps I just saw it at the right age. I was 13 when it came out. Hard to tell sometimes when you overvalue the movies of your youth. While a fine film, it had the unfortunate side effect of launching the career of Roland Emmerich.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Sept 11, 2014 9:29:01 GMT -5
Ive watched this as an adult and still thoroughly enjoy it from beginning to end. But I like alien conspiracies and this was a theatrical release not some geeks/scientists on History channel. The special effects were good melding Egyptian mythology with fictional alien technology. It would be far closer to the top of the list for me.
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Post by coke & comics on Sept 11, 2014 16:00:49 GMT -5
Ive watched this as an adult and still thoroughly enjoy it from beginning to end. But I like alien conspiracies and this was a theatrical release not some geeks/scientists on History channel. The special effects were good melding Egyptian mythology with fictional alien technology. It would be far closer to the top of the list for me. I watched it before posting (as I have been doing; why this goes so slowly). And loved it still. It bounced around a lot through earlier drafts of the list and held in the top 50 for a long time, but I decided this was the highest I could justify. I agree the technology all looked quite cool in that retrofuturistic way.
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Post by coke & comics on Sept 14, 2014 18:14:40 GMT -5
78. Le voyage dans la lune (Mellies, 1902) Of course we needed to leave space for the first science fiction film, which will also be the shortest film on this list (at 14 minutes). Loosely inspired by Wells and Verne, this tells the story of an ambitious team of scientists seeking a voyage to the moon. I am a big fan of the early films and stories about trips to the moon, probably the clearest example of science fiction paving the way for science fact, and this will not be the last early moon movie on this list. The importance of A Trip to the Moon and the career of Georges Mellies to the history of cinema can be better addressed by many others, including some here I am sure. I will focus, as with all these reviews on the science fiction on display. The film is a simple enough one, but it captures a spirit of ambition and discovery, and introduces the medium of film to stories set beyond our world involving extraterrestrial enemies, as well as the first film to take us beneath the sea. Ultimately, like the best science fiction, it reminds us that science is first and foremost about awe and wonder. Five members of an astronomy society embark on a rocket voyage to the moon. There they find strange dreams, chilling cold, and danger. Beneath the surface of the moon, they encounter and battle the native Selenites, and ultimately return home with a captive.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Sept 14, 2014 18:55:05 GMT -5
The 2011 Martin Scorsese movie Hugo acts like a perfect coda to this film
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