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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2018 19:26:51 GMT -5
If Captain America #111 is too expensive, a more affordable option might be to seek out Captain America Special Edition #1 & 2 from 1984 instead. These reprinted Steranko's three issues of Captain America, along with a Nick Fury/Cap story by him from Strange Tales #159, his horror classic At the Stroke of Midnight from Tower of Shadows #1 and his romance story My Heart Broke in Hollywood from Our Love Story #5. I'm might try that ... thanks for the tip!  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2018 8:38:40 GMT -5
chaykinstevens -- Captain America Special Edition #1 & 2 from 1984 instead; the owner has a copy of this book and he can sell it to me for $18 plus free shipping and I should get it in the mail by Wednesday at the latest.
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Post by Confessor on Oct 26, 2018 11:39:51 GMT -5
Love those three Steranko issues. They're probably the three most enjoyable comics in the Silver Age Captain America omnibus that I own.
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Post by The Captain on Oct 26, 2018 12:41:02 GMT -5
Love those three Steranko issues. They're probably the three most enjoyable comics in the Silver Age Captain America omnibus that I own. I agree. For me, the problem with Jack Kirby's time on the book is that, although he created the character, I don't know how much love or passion he had for Cap by the late 1960s. Let's face it, Cap was the creation of two Jewish kids during WWII who dreamed of punching Adolf Hitler in the face, but by the time Marvel gave Cap his own solo run in Tales of Suspense in November 1964, Hitler and the Nazi menace had been gone for almost 20 years. I just can't imagine Kirby having that much energy for a character who truly was "a man out of time", especially in light of his creation of the Fantastic Four, characters more contemporary with the Cold War race into space against the Russians, and his own Fourth World ideas, which were just a bigger part of his issues with Marvel, where he didn't feel he got the credit he deserved as a storyteller (and rightfully so). Sadly, as we'll see with the situation surrounding issue #112 (a brief recap of this should be posted this upcoming weekend), Steranko couldn't be reliably counted on to produce on a month-to-month basis, necessitating him being removed from the title even though his work was light-years ahead of most of the rest of what Marvel was putting out at the time. These three issues of Captain America were, for lack of a better word, truly "adult" comics, having more depth and layers than a lot of books on the market. |
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Post by chaykinstevens on Oct 28, 2018 18:36:41 GMT -5
chaykinstevens -- Captain America Special Edition #1 & 2 from 1984 instead; the owner has a copy of this book and he can sell it to me for $18 plus free shipping and I should get it in the mail by Wednesday at the latest. That seems like a reasonable price - hope you enjoy them. How much were you quoted for the Captain America #111? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2018 19:07:02 GMT -5
chaykinstevens -- Captain America Special Edition #1 & 2 from 1984 instead; the owner has a copy of this book and he can sell it to me for $18 plus free shipping and I should get it in the mail by Wednesday at the latest. That seems like a reasonable price - hope you enjoy them. How much were you quoted for the Captain America #111? I don't quite understand your question here -- sorry about that. The $18 -- that's includes the Tax ... the real cost is $17.65 for the book. |
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Post by The Captain on Oct 28, 2018 19:26:23 GMT -5
That seems like a reasonable price - hope you enjoy them. How much were you quoted for the Captain America #111? I don't quite understand your question here -- sorry about that. The $18 -- that's includes the Tax ... the real cost is $17.65 for the book. I think he was asking how much the actual copy of Captain America #111 that your LCS had was going to cost you. I paid $63 for mine about five and a half years ago at the Steel City Comicon. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2018 21:32:30 GMT -5
I don't quite understand your question here -- sorry about that. The $18 -- that's includes the Tax ... the real cost is $17.65 for the book. I think he was asking how much the actual copy of Captain America #111 that your LCS had was going to cost you. I paid $63 for mine about five and a half years ago at the Steel City Comicon. He was telling me about this ... in bold. |
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Post by tarkintino on Oct 29, 2018 6:26:02 GMT -5
For me, the problem with Jack Kirby's time on the book is that, although he created the character, I don't know how much love or passion he had for Cap by the late 1960s Kirby seemed to enjoy working on the retconned WW2 Cap stories from Tales of Suspense, and certainly had no problems illustrating the Cap title when he returned to Marvel (not to mention the Captain America's Bicentennial Battles Treasury Edition, and almost any WW2 superhero cover such as the Liberty Legion from Marvel Premiere or various Invaders covers). But notice how Cap was given the complex life of being the burdened "man out of time" (making him more interestying than many Marvel characters of the decade, with the exception of Spider-Man), but he was also doing double duty as an Avenger and a frequent agent of S.H.E.I.L.D., the latter placing him dead center into the hottest sub-genre of the period, the spy story, which was a natural fit. As we're already seeing in your Cap reviews, the character would only grow as a dramatic figure. From his identity issues, the brilliant partnership with the Falcon, his disillusionment with the government, his contrast as what a "Captain America" is against the 1950s Cap & Bucky, Nomad--the works. Although Kirby was long gone from Marvel for the last couple of plotlines mentioned, their existence proved Cap to be a character with the most growth potential, and somehow, even if Kirby remained with the title, I don't see him as the kind of creator to tackle such issues in the then maturing Marvel style. Yes, they were adult and its no surprise that it fit with a character some detractors used to refer to as "Joe Patriot", because they had the inability to get beyond their self-imposed issues with the red, white and blue, and realize that the character was actually trying to find his own way as an American--a believer in its core values in a chaotic time of hate, disloyalty and fear. Of all characters at Marvel, Cap was perfectly positioned to comment on and be the reaction to what was happening on the streets, in the often two-faced government of the late 1960s. You were not going to get that with the F.F., Hulk, Iron Man (and I don't count his Cold War /early Military Industrial Complex stories as past of this assessment), Thor, Dr. Strange, the X-Men, Ka-Zar, or just about anyone else. |
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Post by chaykinstevens on Oct 29, 2018 12:44:03 GMT -5
I think he was asking how much the actual copy of Captain America #111 that your LCS had was going to cost you. I paid $63 for mine about five and a half years ago at the Steel City Comicon. He was telling me about this ... in bold. I was just curious as to what the current asking price is for the original issue from 1969. I find it depressing the way the price for issues featuring just about any character's first appearance gets inflated by flippers nowadays, taking them out of the reach of fans with a legitimate interest in owning them. |
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Post by dbutler69 on Oct 29, 2018 12:53:12 GMT -5
Steranko's all too brief run is great, but I also think that the issues that follow, mostly by Gene Colan (with Joe Sinnott) were very good also.
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Post by The Captain on Nov 18, 2018 20:23:06 GMT -5
Captain America #112 "Lest We Forget" Writer: Stan Lee Art: Jack Kirby (pencils) and George Tuska (inks) Cover Date: April 1969 Note:This issue exists only because of Jim Steranko missing the deadline to submit the pages for Captain America #113. Because of that and Marvel needing to put something out that month, Stan Lee contacted Jack Kirby to produce an album issue that filled the space between #111 and #113. To that end, a framing sequence was crafted that showed Tony Stark reminiscing about Captain America after hearing about his demise at the hands of Hydra at the end of the previous issue. This book is really a marvel (yes, pun intended), as the story goes that Stan contacted Jack on Friday afternoon and asked for the pages to be done and delivered to Marvel by Monday. There's nothing of a plot to speak of, as Jack is just retelling Captain America's history up through the end of Jack's run on the book (he doesn't put in anything that happened in #110 or #111), which makes sense, as Stark would not have any details of what had been happening with Steve, Rick, and their fight against Hydra. The artwork is standard Kirby and the words from Stan do an adequate job of catching any new readers up, but this is ultimately a throw-away issue (not that I would throw it away, but that's because I'm a completionist  I've dug all over the internet and cannot find if the failure to meet the deadline contributed to Jim Steranko being removed from the book or if the original plan was to only have him do three issues of the book. Seeing as his output at Marvel wasn't voluminous, it might serve to reason that he was brought in to shake things up briefly while a permanent creative team was found, with the understanding that he wasn't in it for the long haul anyway. I won't grade this, because under the circumstances, it would be unfair to any of the creators involved due to the time constraints on them. |
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Post by chaykinstevens on Nov 19, 2018 12:02:51 GMT -5
I've dug all over the internet and cannot find if the failure to meet the deadline contributed to Jim Steranko being removed from the book or if the original plan was to only have him do three issues of the book. According to American Comic Book Chronicles: 1965-69, Steranko quit immediately after doing CA #113, in protest against the fill-in #112 breaking up his run. link |
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Post by The Captain on Nov 19, 2018 14:40:10 GMT -5
I've dug all over the internet and cannot find if the failure to meet the deadline contributed to Jim Steranko being removed from the book or if the original plan was to only have him do three issues of the book. According to American Comic Book Chronicles: 1965-69, Steranko quit immediately after doing CA #113, in protest against the fill-in #112 breaking up his run. linkThanks for the link, chaykinstevens! I searched all over, but I guess I didn't put in just the right combination of words to find that page. It seems like Stan panicked a little bit over Steranko maybe missing his deadline, rather than it being actually missed. Certainly a huge loss for the reader, as Steranko's work in just three issues was incredible and would have been an asset to the title going forward, although it doesn't sound like he was too keen on the forced usage of Rick Jones (and who can blame him? ) |
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Post by Farrar on Nov 19, 2018 20:41:08 GMT -5
I've dug all over the internet and cannot find if the failure to meet the deadline contributed to Jim Steranko being removed from the book or if the original plan was to only have him do three issues of the book. According to American Comic Book Chronicles: 1965-69, Steranko quit immediately after doing CA #113, in protest against the fill-in #112 breaking up his run. linkYes, thanks for the link, chaykinstevens--great stuff! I did a little additional digging and the Groth-Steranko interview referenced in that Chronicles book is from Fantastic Fanzine #11, from 1970. The interview can be read in its entirety here www.kenmeyerjr.com/uploads/5/5/7/8/55780583/ff11.pdfMany other fanzines here www.kenmeyerjr.com/ink-stains.html |
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