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Post by Prince Hal on Apr 21, 2016 8:18:45 GMT -5
The story might not make sense, but the art is great, IIRC... I remember liking Dr. Rawlings too This story came to full-color, small-screen life courtesy the cinematic wizardry of the Grantray-Lawrence studio. Watch on, for a world is fighting...
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Post by Farrar on Apr 21, 2016 18:50:41 GMT -5
This story came to full-color, small-screen life courtesy the cinematic wizardry of the Grantray-Lawrence studio. ... I loved those cartoons! There was a Cap episode based on (as I would learn later) Avengers #18--"When the Commissar Commands!"--and this was my introduction to the Avengers. It featured the Kooky Quartet Avengers and later on when I finally secured an actual Avengers comic, I was shocked to see a quite different team.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 20:22:46 GMT -5
I watched these cartoons Prince Hal and Farrar once in a great while and I always find them enjoyable and I know they are primitive by today's standards but when they first came out they were literally GEMS!
Prince Hal thanks for posting today!
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Post by The Captain on May 1, 2016 16:30:51 GMT -5
Tales of Suspense #71"...When You Lie Down With Dogs...!" Writer: Stan Lee Art: Jack Kirby (Layouts) and George Tuska & Joe Sinnott (Art) Cover Date: November 1965 SynopsisCap is being carried to the rocket that is aimed for Winston Churchill's home as the issue opens, and as this happens, Dr. Rawlings argues with the Nazis not to send his sister Celia in the rocket along with Cap and Bucky. His pleas fall on deaf ears and he is thrown in Castle Greymoor's dungeon instead. Back upstairs, one of the Nazis carrying Cap stumbles, causing Cap to fall out of their grasp; Cap thinks to himself that he meant to do that to get himself free. He fights the four Nazis off, then takes cover from their gunfire. Nearby, Bucky comes to and escapes his guard (with a JUDO CHOP! to the back of the neck) before joining Cap in his fight. Cap, who has regained his shield, takes out a couple of Nazis with one toss, then bull-rushes into another group, sending them scattering. Major Uberhart arrives on the scene, his gun drawn on a captive Celia Rawlings. Cap and Bucky pause, but Celia manages to slip free of her captors, giving Cap the opportunity to knock out Uberhart. In the fray, Celia lunges for a Nazi with a gun, only to end up getting shot; Bucky quickly dispatches the shooter, but it is too late for Celia, who dies as her brother tends to her wound. Cap and Bucky convince Dr. Rawlings to assist them in aiding the Ranger troop pinned down by the Nazis, which he does by adjusting the rocket's trajectory to land on the Nazi armored division. At the same time, Dr. Rawlings, driven mad by grief, set the stored rocket fuel on fire, leading to a series of explosions that destroy the castle, kill the remaining Nazi soldiers, and seemingly end his life as well, although Cap and Bucky are able to narrowly escape, thus ending the drama at Greymoor Castle. Continuity IssuesAt the end of issue #70, Cap's hands are bound behind his back while he is carried face-down by two Nazi soldiers, but here his hands are unbound and he is being carried face-up by three Nazis. On page one of this story, Cap's shield is on his chest as he is carried, but on page two, it is no longer on his chest and is nowhere to be seen. Less continuity issues but moreso inconsistent art problems were: 1. In issue #70, the Nazi uniforms are grey, but they are green in this issue. 2. Major Uberhart's hair is silver in issue #70 but blonde here. 3. Major Uberhart's Nazi armband comes and goes from panel to panel and page to page. My ThoughtsA perfectly acceptable ending to the Castle Greymoor saga, although not without some points that bugged me. Regardless of Cap's disappearing shield as noted above, I didn't like how he regained his shield off-panel while they showed Bucky escaping his guard; it's a bigger point in the story rather than showing five panels of Bucky getting loose from his captor. As well, Dr. Rawlings' behavior at the end of the story is inconsistent. He breaks down at his sister's side as she lies dying from her gunshot wound, apologizing for his actions that led to that moment. When next seen, he is rationally agreeing to assist Cap and Bucky in adjusting the trajectory of the rocket, but as the rocket launches (during which time he appears perfectly calm), he has set the rocket fuel on fire and is cackling like a madman at his actions. Grief can certainly affect different people in different ways, but he goes from one extreme to another in a matter of just a few panels. My Grade: B This was better paced than the previous issue, bringing the Greymoor Castle story to an appropriate close, with Cap and Bucky saving not only themselves, but also their group and Winston Churchill.
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Post by simayl on May 2, 2016 4:42:56 GMT -5
Looking forward to following this thread as Cap was one of the characters that got me hooked on comics over 40 years ago with Englehart's Captain America and Falcon.
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Post by The Captain on May 2, 2016 15:59:03 GMT -5
Looking forward to following this thread as Cap was one of the characters that got me hooked on comics over 40 years ago with Englehart's Captain America and Falcon. Hope I don't disappoint! I usually post one or two reviews per week, as I'm able, and am always looking for feedback and input from the readers as to how I can make my reviews better.
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Post by Hoosier X on May 2, 2016 17:19:43 GMT -5
As much as I like the Cap stories up to this point, Tales of Suspense #72 is where it really starts to ROAR!
My favorite Red Skull story EVER is coming up real soon.
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Post by The Captain on May 3, 2016 15:17:15 GMT -5
Tales of Suspense #72"The Sleeper Shall Awake!" Writer: Stan Lee Art: Jack Kirby (Layouts) and George Tuska (Art) Cover Date: December 1965 SynopsisAs the story opens, it is revealed that the past few issues (and potentially all of the WWII tales) were part of a story that Cap was telling to Hawkeye, Quicksilver, and Scarlet Witch. Clint gives Steve some teasing about his role in the war, then asks what Bucky is currently up to; Steve says that he died, and when Clint presses the issue, Wanda intervenes as Steve walks away, head hung low. Back in his quarters, Steve broods about Bucky's death, which keeps him awake for a while; once he falls asleep, he dreams of his last encounter with the Red Skull, in which the captured villain mentions "Sleepers", his plan to continue to the war on "Der Tag" ("The Day"), twenty-five years in the future from that point in time. Steve awakens, shaken and anxious for clues, clues he finds in a metal box he took from the Skull during that last fight; inside the box is a list of German agents and "stations". Over in Bavaria, a group of men brave a driving rain storm as they make their way to the home of the burgomaster. When they arrive, they find him dressed in his Nazi uniform; from there, they depart into the hills, looking for one of the "Sleepers" the Red Skull had mentioned. They pull a boulder away from a cave opening and after they finish, a giant robot emerges. Close by, Captain America parachutes into Germany and makes his way toward a set of loud footsteps. As he approaches a small town, he encounters the Sleeper, which nearly steps on him. He battles it, to no avail, and Cap is left to ponder his next move as the Sleeper lumbers forth mindlessly toward an unknown goal. As the issue wraps, a woman is shown ordering a group of diggers to assemble at a particular place, as she is responsible for the awakening of the second Sleeper. Continuity Issues: None My ThoughtsWhat a great way to bring the ToS series back into real-time continuity! Much as I enjoyed the WWII stories, they only provided interesting backstory to Cap but had no impact on his current situation. I liked how they used Clint's lack of tact and underlying disrespect for Cap as the catalyst for the nightmare that set Cap off on his search for the metal box and ultimately took him to Germany to locate the Sleepers. The only drawback to this is that is gave us the first of what will become a seemingly unending string of panels of Steve brooding about Bucky's death over the course of the next few years. The artwork is passable, with George Tuska finishing over top of Kirby's layouts; I've never been a huge Tuska fan, but it's really hard to screw things up too much when working with something that Kirby started. My major complaint is with the first panel, where the other three members of the Quartet are gathered around Cap; Quicksilver and Hawkeye are drawn standing, while Wanda is drawn kneeling at Steve's feet as he tells his story, as though she is a child. My Grade: A- Glad to see Cap's tales back into real-time, and what a way to get The Sleeper storyline started.
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Post by Rob Allen on May 3, 2016 17:37:46 GMT -5
Yes! As Hoosier said, this is when the series went into overdrive. A lot of Marvel's series seemed to move toward multi-part stories around this time, and the Sleeper story is one of the best!
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Post by wildfire2099 on May 4, 2016 19:29:20 GMT -5
I agree both that this is a great story, and the first panel with Wanda looking like an 8 year old listening to Granpa Steve is weird.
Having a WWII plot that goes into 'modern times' just made so much SENSE.
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Post by Farrar on May 5, 2016 11:48:06 GMT -5
Good commentary/analysis, Captain--I enjoyed reading it. Tales of Suspense #72... My major complaint is with the first panel, where the other three members of the Quartet are gathered around Cap; Quicksilver and Hawkeye are drawn standing, while Wanda is drawn kneeling at Steve's feet as he tells his story, as though she is a child. ... I agree both that this is a great story, and the first panel with Wanda looking like an 8 year old listening to Granpa Steve is weird. ... Wanda had a major crush on Steve over in the Avengers comic at that time, so I guess I rationalize that silly pose as her hero-worship of him, her hanging on his every word, and the like.
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Post by wildfire2099 on May 5, 2016 14:36:39 GMT -5
She had a crush on EVERYONE back then... but I suppose that does make sense.
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Post by Hoosier X on May 5, 2016 16:50:55 GMT -5
She had a crush on EVERYONE back then... but I suppose that does make sense. She wasn't as bad as Jan. One of my favorite silly Silver Age Marvel panels is from the first appearance of Kang the Conqueror where the Wasp is musing something like "I bet Kang is a real hunk under all the blue make-up!"
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Post by Hoosier X on May 5, 2016 16:54:43 GMT -5
From Avengers #8: Feminist icon Janet van Dyne (The Wasp) shows that she's not afraid of her sexuality.
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Post by Farrar on May 5, 2016 17:49:52 GMT -5
She had a crush on EVERYONE back then... If you go by the actual Silver Age issues (which I tend to do ), Wanda was not very active romantically at the time of this Suspense story. Stuff like the X-Men: First Class Wanda-Warren story was introduced/inserted decades later. As it unfolded in the Silver Age comics, prior to joining the Avengers she'd only previously evinced any romantic interest in Sub-Mariner, in X-Men #6 (1964):"How slim yet muscular--he's fascinating!" It was reciprocal; he was attracted to her, too. That was it, until she joined the Avengers, then she became fascinated with Steve: "Captain America is no weakling! I shall enjoy being an Avenger!" Avengers #17 (1965). I get the impression that Stan wanted to create a triangle between Wanda-Cap-Hawkeye (who had the hots for her)... but for whatever reason this was not developed, all we got in several subsequent issues was Wanda mooning over Steve. And Hawkeye being jealous. Once Cap's Suspense feature moved to the present-day, this potential romance in the Avengers was essentially dropped. The nail in the coffin would be the introduction of Sharon Carter in ToS. After Cap (Silver Age/early Bronze): In 1967 when Hercules joined the team he and Wanda began seeing each other (#46), but they both left the team (separately) soon after. When Wanda and Pietro rejoined the team in #75-6 (1970), there was an indication she was attracted to Arkon--the guy who was intending to destroy the Earth and who'd kidnapped her with the intention of making her his bride. The team by this time included the Vision, and in #81 she thought:"I've always thought of him as cold--aloof! But I was wrong--so wrong!" This (IMO) was planting the seeds for their romance and Roy Thomas would take it nice and slow. Postscript:It seemed Wanda and Cap finally got together romantically in 2004, in Christopher's Priest's Captain America and the Falcon series, but that turned out to be illusory as tptb evidently then shoehorned it into the "Disassembled" arc.
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