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Post by DE Sinclair on Jan 21, 2016 10:18:17 GMT -5
To the surprise of absolutely no one, Steve Rogers will be back as Captain America just in time for the Civil War movie. To my surprise, they're also keeping Sam Wilson as Captain America, and even letting him keep the original shield. This makes me happy because I've been enjoying Sam's current series. I'm not sure exactly how that will work with two Captains, especially with the new triangular shield they're giving Rogers. They say it will have an "energy blade" at the bottom for cutting stuff and will split in two so he can have a mini shield for each arm. But can he throw it?
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Post by The Captain on Jan 21, 2016 10:40:55 GMT -5
Of course he can throw it. Based on its shape, it won't come back, but that's another matter entirely.
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Post by Dizzy D on Jan 21, 2016 10:59:58 GMT -5
Don't know, this shape is closer to a boomerang than the disc was and therefore due to my comic-logic, should actually come back easier.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 12:20:11 GMT -5
Captain Samerica has never made sense to me - (a) his wings will get in the way of his arm when he pulls it back to throw, (b) suddenly he's as accurate with the shield as the guy he's virtually lived in it for at least 15 years Marvel time.
Would have made a lot more sense to give the old shield back to Cap Steve and the new one to Cap Sam
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Post by DE Sinclair on Jan 21, 2016 15:17:06 GMT -5
Captain Samerica has never made sense to me - (a) his wings will get in the way of his arm when he pulls it back to throw, (b) suddenly he's as accurate with the shield as the guy he's virtually lived in it for at least 15 years Marvel time. Would have made a lot more sense to give the old shield back to Cap Steve and the new one to Cap Sam I was kind of thinking that too, about giving the shield back. But on the other hand, it would make Rogers seem like he was reneging on giving Sam the shield. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jan 21, 2016 16:48:35 GMT -5
Don't think about how Captain America's shield works. Down that path leads madness.
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Post by Dizzy D on Jan 21, 2016 17:53:45 GMT -5
Don't think about how Captain America's shield works. Down that path leads madness. I don't know what you mean, I just figured out how it works and ... oh my god, it's full of stars! (and some stripes.) |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 22:10:16 GMT -5
Replacing the classics with a new person in the costume has been way overused. I hope they leave Steve as Cap for a long time. Also I think Sam is much more interesting as an original character - The Falcon - than as a "substitute" Cap.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 23:02:17 GMT -5
Replacing the classics with a new person in the costume has been way overused. I hope they leave Steve as Cap for a long time. Also I think Sam is much more interesting as an original character - The Falcon - than as a "substitute" Cap. Yeah I mean really replacing Jay Garrick with That Barry Alen guy was enough, did they have to do it with every super-hero? You'd think comics are a copycat business where they'd use any and every trick to boost sales or something.... -M |
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Post by tingramretro on Jan 22, 2016 2:18:34 GMT -5
Replacing the classics with a new person in the costume has been way overused. I hope they leave Steve as Cap for a long time. Also I think Sam is much more interesting as an original character - The Falcon - than as a "substitute" Cap. Yeah I mean really replacing Jay Garrick with That Barry Alen guy was enough, did they have to do it with every super-hero? You'd think comics are a copycat business where they'd use any and every trick to boost sales or something.... -M Personally, I think replacing Jay with Allen was a step too far. Jay Garrick is the only real Flash. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 2:28:14 GMT -5
Don't think about how Captain America's shield works. Down that path leads madness. I agree that the way it's used is illogical - given it's supposed vibration absorbing properties, it should never be able to bounce/rebound off multiple objects, but I can accept that as hand-waving comic book science, whereas I can't accept things which are physically impossible for the characters (which is related to why seeing the likes of Neal Adams cheat on anatomy drives me crazy) I guess the bottom line is that it has to be somehow internally consistent, allowing for the comic-book science, and Cap Sam severing his own wing every time he throws a shield (that he has never shown any ability to throw accurately!) just fails the logic test. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 7:11:14 GMT -5
Replacing the classics with a new person in the costume has been way overused. I hope they leave Steve as Cap for a long time. Also I think Sam is much more interesting as an original character - The Falcon - than as a "substitute" Cap. Yeah I mean really replacing Jay Garrick with That Barry Alen guy was enough, did they have to do it with every super-hero? You'd think comics are a copycat business where they'd use any and every trick to boost sales or something.... -M You knew what I meant. Steve has been replaced twice in the past several years - in 2008 with Bucky & then in 2014 with Sam. And the Silver Age was different. Jay didn't come back to replace Barry. Alan didn't become the Green Lantern again & Hal fade away. |
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Post by Dizzy D on Jan 22, 2016 9:41:26 GMT -5
Did you have these problems with John Walker and James Rhodes as well?
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Jan 22, 2016 10:31:02 GMT -5
I've always enjoyed Falcon as a character since he and Steve shared the book in the 70s. I loved that they threw him in the Avengers for a while, and looked forward to his rare appearances after. I like that he finally gets some recognition, but man I just cant warm to this book. Steve coming back, while inevitable is just boring too. This is another Marvel book I may stop...hmm...but it is Cap...but it makes it a chore and that aint good.
Now if theyd left BuckyCap in place I'd be happy. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 11:13:57 GMT -5
Yeah I mean really replacing Jay Garrick with That Barry Alen guy was enough, did they have to do it with every super-hero? You'd think comics are a copycat business where they'd use any and every trick to boost sales or something.... -M You knew what I meant. Steve has been replaced twice in the past several years - in 2008 with Bucky & then in 2014 with Sam. And the Silver Age was different. Jay didn't come back to replace Barry. Alan didn't become the Green Lantern again & Hal fade away. I know, but again, comics has always been a copycat business where they'll use every trick in the book to scrounge up sales. Superheroes as a genre exist because Superman worked and National wanted more and others wanted a piece of the action. FF got created because Goodman wanted a Justice League type book because it was selling and he wanted some of the action. If replacing the identity of the person worked once, it will get copycatted again and and again so they can get some of the action. It's the nature of the business of comics. Creative concerns and originality are second to getting a piece of the action by any means necessary. Add to it the pace of change is much faster now than it was 20, 30 40 years ago and these type of things happen quicker now because the entire pace of our culture happens more quickly now. Complain all you want, it's not going to change until new and shiny (even if it is derivative and unoriginal stops selling better than same as it ever was. I've said it before and I am sure I'll say it again-comic fans get the comics their buying patterns deserve. -M |
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