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Post by Pat T on Feb 6, 2016 2:16:17 GMT -5
The only thing I don't love about grading is that there are certain things that bother me more than others and these affect my own "grade" but they may be just fine for someone else. Example. I just got ASM #28 and it has some decent creasing and cover wear. There are also two hole punched holes randomly on just the back cover near the edge of the book (not through any other part of the book). This might really bother someone (or CGC) but not me. The comic is complete, readable and I love it! However, I also have a few Spidey books that I sold because the centerfold was detaching. Now, on a really collectible to find book, I may overlook that but for me a popped staple on the cover or centerfold is annoying. As stated I do have a very high grade ASM #82 where the top staple is detached but because the rest of the book is just so sharp, I can live with it. But in general, I am disappointed by this as a defect more than I am over a few creases, folds or even a name written on the cover's edge. I'm mostly happy to get a comic with good eye appeal at a discount over paying a premium for a very high graded one. I don't mind a few stress lines on the spine or a few finger dents. A small tear or bend on the back doesn't bother me if the price is right. I would prefer to have NM copies of everything, but that's unrealistic and would make collecting more of a chore than fun (for me). There is a cutoff of what I will accept, though. Whenever I've gone the ultra-cheap route just to fill a hole, I've always gone back and bought a nicer one. Putting my keys in nice and shiny mylar bags with 2 boards also makes the comics appear nicer than they are, and more likely for me to be satisfied with. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 10:46:17 GMT -5
I'm mostly happy to get a comic with good eye appeal at a discount over paying a premium for a very high graded one. I don't mind a few stress lines on the spine or a few finger dents. That's the key. As long as flaws aren't a bother, and you're happy with the book on hand, that's what matters. I don't mind a GOLDEN AGE book like that. And getting a 1940s DC with those characteristics will still cost a few hundred dollars even in the very best of deals. |
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Post by MDG on Feb 10, 2016 9:16:38 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 9:27:25 GMT -5
That is kind of crazy. Because at that grade it's only valued at $16.80, slabbed. Oh, eBay sellers. *sigh* |
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Post by DE Sinclair on Feb 10, 2016 9:42:21 GMT -5
That is kind of crazy. Because at that grade it's only valued at $16.80, slabbed. Oh, eBay sellers. *sigh* Sadly, the only thing that would surprise me about this is if someone actually paid that much for it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 9:46:48 GMT -5
That is kind of crazy. Because at that grade it's only valued at $16.80, slabbed. Oh, eBay sellers. *sigh* Sadly, the only thing that would surprise me about this is if someone actually paid that much for it. And someone just may. I see it all. the. time in an FB group I am in. People pay crazy amounts for books because they ONLY check ebay to see what other books of the same are going for. Instead of referencing reputable sources to see what the book is actually WORTH. |
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Post by The Captain on Feb 10, 2016 10:12:39 GMT -5
Sadly, the only thing that would surprise me about this is if someone actually paid that much for it. And someone just may. I see it all. the. time in an FB group I am in. People pay crazy amounts for books because they ONLY check ebay to see what other books of the same are going for. Instead of referencing reputable sources to see what the book is actually WORTH. But isn't eBay a more accurate indicator of what a book is actually worth, in that it is a true dynamic marketplace, where the demand for books is weighed against the supply of them and a price is determined in an auction format (or Buy It Now, for folks who don't want to be bothered). We may say that New Mutants #98 (with its Rob Liefeld art) is worth $25, but legions of folks out there who want to own Deadpool's first appearance are currently ponying up northwards of $250 to get copies of it on eBay. "Worth" of an item is determined by what another person is willing to pay for it. If I put a mint condition Detective Comics #27 up for sale at $10 and no one makes me an offer, it isn't "worth" $10, because I can't sell it for that amount. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 10:20:54 GMT -5
Sorry, value. Book value.
Worth probably was not the best word to use.
But I guess value could be argued as well.
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Post by DE Sinclair on Feb 10, 2016 10:37:55 GMT -5
And someone just may. I see it all. the. time in an FB group I am in. People pay crazy amounts for books because they ONLY check ebay to see what other books of the same are going for. Instead of referencing reputable sources to see what the book is actually WORTH. But isn't eBay a more accurate indicator of what a book is actually worth, in that it is a true dynamic marketplace, where the demand for books is weighed against the supply of them and a price is determined in an auction format (or Buy It Now, for folks who don't want to be bothered). We may say that New Mutants #98 (with its Rob Liefeld art) is worth $25, but legions of folks out there who want to own Deadpool's first appearance are currently ponying up northwards of $250 to get copies of it on eBay. "Worth" of an item is determined by what another person is willing to pay for it. If I put a mint condition Detective Comics #27 up for sale at $10 and no one makes me an offer, it isn't "worth" $10, because I can't sell it for that amount. Ebay is a good indication of what something is selling for, as long as you look at the completed auctions for what people actually paid, instead of the wishful asking prices that some put up there. |
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Post by The Captain on Feb 10, 2016 10:50:26 GMT -5
But isn't eBay a more accurate indicator of what a book is actually worth, in that it is a true dynamic marketplace, where the demand for books is weighed against the supply of them and a price is determined in an auction format (or Buy It Now, for folks who don't want to be bothered). We may say that New Mutants #98 (with its Rob Liefeld art) is worth $25, but legions of folks out there who want to own Deadpool's first appearance are currently ponying up northwards of $250 to get copies of it on eBay. "Worth" of an item is determined by what another person is willing to pay for it. If I put a mint condition Detective Comics #27 up for sale at $10 and no one makes me an offer, it isn't "worth" $10, because I can't sell it for that amount. Ebay is a good indication of what something is selling for, as long as you look at the completed auctions for what people actually paid, instead of the wishful asking prices that some put up there. I always look at the Completed Auctions' pricing first on items I'm hunting, especially if they are things I'm looking to buy in order to flip for quick profit. Asking prices are meaningless, especially there. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 11:36:52 GMT -5
And someone just may. I see it all. the. time in an FB group I am in. People pay crazy amounts for books because they ONLY check ebay to see what other books of the same are going for. Instead of referencing reputable sources to see what the book is actually WORTH. But isn't eBay a more accurate indicator of what a book is actually worth, in that it is a true dynamic marketplace, where the demand for books is weighed against the supply of them and a price is determined in an auction format (or Buy It Now, for folks who don't want to be bothered). We may say that New Mutants #98 (with its Rob Liefeld art) is worth $25, but legions of folks out there who want to own Deadpool's first appearance are currently ponying up northwards of $250 to get copies of it on eBay. "Worth" of an item is determined by what another person is willing to pay for it. If I put a mint condition Detective Comics #27 up for sale at $10 and no one makes me an offer, it isn't "worth" $10, because I can't sell it for that amount. And, actually, no, it should not be. Whether it is or not, well, if people would take the time to actually find out what the book is valued at, they wouldn't pay those prices and sellers would be forced to lower their prices or risk not selling the book. I want a lot of books. But I'm NOT going to pay 5x the amount a book's stated value because I want it. |
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Post by The Captain on Feb 10, 2016 12:03:45 GMT -5
But isn't eBay a more accurate indicator of what a book is actually worth, in that it is a true dynamic marketplace, where the demand for books is weighed against the supply of them and a price is determined in an auction format (or Buy It Now, for folks who don't want to be bothered). We may say that New Mutants #98 (with its Rob Liefeld art) is worth $25, but legions of folks out there who want to own Deadpool's first appearance are currently ponying up northwards of $250 to get copies of it on eBay. "Worth" of an item is determined by what another person is willing to pay for it. If I put a mint condition Detective Comics #27 up for sale at $10 and no one makes me an offer, it isn't "worth" $10, because I can't sell it for that amount. And, actually, no, it should not be. Whether it is or not, well, if people would take the time to actually find out what the book is valued at, they wouldn't pay those prices and sellers would be forced to lower their prices or risk not selling the book. I want a lot of books. But I'm NOT going to pay 5x the amount a book's stated value because I want it. IRT the bolded portion, how exactly is that determined if not by what people have willingly paid for it? As for your second statement, it's because you don't value the book for what the market says it is worth; I'm very similar that way. I gave up on my goal of owning a Werewolf by Night #32 because I don't value it at $200 or more, which is the going rate these days. The problem is, there are people out there to whom that is not a consideration because they have the funds to spend on it, and because it is an aging book and one that is considered "key", there are fewer of them on the market, which drives the price up because people have funds to spend on it for their collections, which means that there are fewer of them on the market, which further drives the price up... It sucks, but it's economics. For certain key books, it's a seller's market, which means they set the price and someone, due to their need to own that book, will pay it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 12:24:12 GMT -5
And, actually, no, it should not be. Whether it is or not, well, if people would take the time to actually find out what the book is valued at, they wouldn't pay those prices and sellers would be forced to lower their prices or risk not selling the book. I want a lot of books. But I'm NOT going to pay 5x the amount a book's stated value because I want it. IRT the bolded portion, how exactly is that determined if not by what people have willingly paid for it? As for your second statement, it's because you don't value the book for what the market says it is worth; I'm very similar that way. I gave up on my goal of owning a Werewolf by Night #32 because I don't value it at $200 or more, which is the going rate these days. The problem is, there are people out there to whom that is not a consideration because they have the funds to spend on it, and because it is an aging book and one that is considered "key", there are fewer of them on the market, which drives the price up because people have funds to spend on it for their collections, which means that there are fewer of them on the market, which further drives the price up... It sucks, but it's economics. For certain key books, it's a seller's market, which means they set the price and someone, due to their need to own that book, will pay it. Yeah. I know. But if everyone followed my idealism up above, we could all have nice things. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Feb 10, 2016 12:50:48 GMT -5
And, actually, no, it should not be. Whether it is or not, well, if people would take the time to actually find out what the book is valued at, they wouldn't pay those prices and sellers would be forced to lower their prices or risk not selling the book. I want a lot of books. But I'm NOT going to pay 5x the amount a book's stated value because I want it. IRT the bolded portion, how exactly is that determined if not by what people have willingly paid for it? As for your second statement, it's because you don't value the book for what the market says it is worth; I'm very similar that way. I gave up on my goal of owning a Werewolf by Night #32 because I don't value it at $200 or more, which is the going rate these days. The problem is, there are people out there to whom that is not a consideration because they have the funds to spend on it, and because it is an aging book and one that is considered "key", there are fewer of them on the market, which drives the price up because people have funds to spend on it for their collections, which means that there are fewer of them on the market, which further drives the price up... It sucks, but it's economics. For certain key books, it's a seller's market, which means they set the price and someone, due to their need to own that book, will pay it. It's generally going for a little less than that in the last month or so - I've seen a bunch of copies in the 150$ range. Sometimes as low as 100. (I just sold one, so I was paying V-E-R-Y close attention!) |
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Post by The Captain on Feb 10, 2016 13:08:50 GMT -5
IRT the bolded portion, how exactly is that determined if not by what people have willingly paid for it? As for your second statement, it's because you don't value the book for what the market says it is worth; I'm very similar that way. I gave up on my goal of owning a Werewolf by Night #32 because I don't value it at $200 or more, which is the going rate these days. The problem is, there are people out there to whom that is not a consideration because they have the funds to spend on it, and because it is an aging book and one that is considered "key", there are fewer of them on the market, which drives the price up because people have funds to spend on it for their collections, which means that there are fewer of them on the market, which further drives the price up... It sucks, but it's economics. For certain key books, it's a seller's market, which means they set the price and someone, due to their need to own that book, will pay it. It's generally going for a little less than that in the last month or so - I've seen a bunch of copies in the 150$ range. Sometimes as low as 100. (I just sold one, so I was paying V-E-R-Y close attention!) Just what I didn't need to hear...Looks like the money I'm going to make from my New Mutants #98 will be going somewhere I hadn't planned. |
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